Can the sum of exponentials in this expression be simplified?

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of a mathematical expression involving multiple sums of exponentials. Participants explore whether the sum over the exponentials can be reduced to a simpler form, potentially involving a Kronecker delta function. The context is primarily mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an expression involving triple sums of exponentials and suggests that the sum over ##n## might reduce to a Kronecker delta.
  • Another participant references a related thread that discusses the definition of the delta function as a sum.
  • A third participant provides a formula for the sum of exponentials and proposes a simplification of the original expression using this formula, leading to a new expression involving a sum of products of ##\tilde{p}_{k}## terms.
  • A later reply questions the validity of the first step in the simplification, noting that it requires treating ##k+k'## as a single integer, which is a necessary condition for applying the provided formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the simplification steps. There is no consensus on whether the proposed simplification is correct, as some question the assumptions made in the process.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions regarding the treatment of ##k+k'## as a single integer and the conditions under which the delta function can be applied. These aspects remain unresolved.

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I am looking for a way to simplify the following expression:

##\sum\limits_{n=1}^{N}\ \sum\limits_{k=0}^{N-1}\ \sum\limits_{k'=0}^{N-1}\ \tilde{p}_{k}\ \tilde{p}_{k'}\ e^{2\pi in(k+k')/N}##.

I presume that the sum of the exponentials over ##n## somehow reduce to a Kronecker delta.

Am I wrong?
 
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This formula is handy:

##\sum_{k=1}^{N}e^{2\pi ikn/N}=N\delta_{\text{n mod N}, 0}##

so that

##\sum\limits_{n=1}^{N}\ \sum\limits_{k=0}^{N-1}\ \sum\limits_{k'=0}^{N-1}\ \tilde{p}_{k}\ \tilde{p}_{k'}\ e^{2\pi in(k+k')/N}##

##=\frac{1}{2mN}\ \sum\limits_{k=0}^{N-1}\ \sum\limits_{k'=0}^{N-1}\ \tilde{p}_{k}\ \tilde{p}_{k'}\ N \delta_{(k+k') \text{mod N},0}##

##=\frac{1}{2m}\ \sum\limits_{k=0}^{N-1}\ \tilde{p}_{k}\ \tilde{p}_{N-k}##.

What do you think?
 
That first step requires that you can treat k+k' as a single integer, as required in the provided formula.
ie. requires that: $$\sum_{m=1}^N e^{2\pi i mn/N} = \sum_{k=1}^N\sum_{k'=1}^N e^{2\pi i (k+k')n/N}$$
 
thanks!
 

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