Can Trigonometric Manipulation Affect Limit Calculations?

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The discussion revolves around the limit calculation involving trigonometric functions, specifically the limit as \( h \) approaches 0 of the expression \( \frac{1 - \cos(h)}{h} \). Participants explore the implications of rearranging the expression and the effects of sign changes on the limit outcome.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the manipulation of trigonometric expressions and the validity of rearranging terms to facilitate limit calculations. Questions arise regarding the equivalence of different forms of the limit and the reasoning behind using negative factors.

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Some participants provide insights into the limit properties of constants and functions, while others seek clarification on the necessity of factoring out negative signs. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to understand the manipulation of expressions and the underlying principles of limits.

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There is a noted concern about confidence in understanding the manipulation of limits and trigonometric identities, with participants expressing a desire to verify their reasoning and methods.

Moogie
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Hi

Given this limit
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{1-cos(h)}{h} = 0[/tex]

can you rearrange

[tex](sin(x) (\frac{cos(h)-1}{h}))[/tex]

to

[tex](sin(x) \cdot -1 \cdot (\frac{1-cos(h)}{h}))[/tex]

so that when you take the limit as h goes to 0 you get: sin(x) x -1 x 0 = 0

thanks
 
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Also, how do i get 'big brackets' when i write my equations

many thanks
 
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0} sin(x) \left(\frac{1-cos(h)}{h}\right) = sin(x) \lim_{h \to 0} \left(\frac{1-cos(h)}{h}\right)= sin(x) \cdot 0 = 0[/tex]

sin(x) doesn't depend on h, so as far as the limit process is concerned, sin(x) is a constant. The limit of a constant times a function is the constant times the limit of the function.

For big parentheses use \left( and \right) inside your tex tags. For big brackets use \left[ and \right]
 
Thanks

but the equation is in the form (cos(h)-1)/h not 1-cos(h)/h

that's why i was asking about multiplying by -1 to get it in the right form
 
Mark44 said:
The limit of a constant times a function is the constant times the limit of the function.

This should answer your question. In this case, it matters not since the limit is 0, but in general a change of sign is in order.
 
Moogie said:
Thanks

but the equation is in the form (cos(h)-1)/h not 1-cos(h)/h

that's why i was asking about multiplying by -1 to get it in the right form
Instead of multiplying by -1, factor out -1.

(cos(h) - 1)/h = -1(-cos(h) + 1)/h = -(1 - cos(h))/h

As Tedjn points out, it doesn't make any difference in this case, since the limit of this expression is 0.
 
Sorry i meant factor out -1, not multiply

I'm teaching this myself and not very confident which is why i wanted to check why the 2 forms both have a limit of 0


I know how to show that the limit of the first form (1-cos(h)/h) = 0 but the only way i know how to show the limit of the second form (cos(h)-1/(h) = 0 is by factoring out the -1 to get the first form. Is it possible to show that the limit of the second form is 0 directly?

With the first form you multiply the numerator by its conjugate, 1+cos(x), to get
1-cos(x) . 1+cos(x) all over
x . 1 + cos(x)

this becomes
sin2(x)/x . 1/(1+cos(x)) to get sin(x) . sin(x)/x . 1/(1+cos(x))
 
In the second, you get a first term -sin(x) instead; that is the only difference. The conclusion then follows for the same reason. It's because the -1 carries through the entire way.
 

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