Can Vietnamese Students Explore Complex Physics Concepts?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around various physics questions posed by a Vietnamese student, focusing on concepts such as the color of the sky and ocean, rainbows, and circularly polarized light. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations related to optics and atmospheric phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The student inquires about the reasons behind the blue color of the sky and ocean.
  • There is a mention of double rainbows and the possibility of seeing circular rainbows from above.
  • A blue moon is described as occurring when there are two full moons in a month.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of linear and circular polarization, including the behavior of electric field vectors in these states.
  • It is suggested that our eyes cannot distinguish between left and right circularly polarized light, but optical instruments can be used to determine the polarization type.
  • Another participant mentions that cellophane can potentially be used as a quarter wave plate, although they have not tested it.
  • A further contribution discusses the general properties of birefringent materials and their suitability for making quarter wave plates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally provide information and clarification on the questions raised, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of cellophane as a quarter wave plate or the practical applications of birefringent materials.

Contextual Notes

Some responses include assumptions about the reader's prior knowledge of polarization and optics, and there are unresolved questions regarding the practical use of certain materials in optical applications.

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Hi everybody
How are you? I am a Vietnamese student. I hope to find this forum because I want to development my lovely subject "physics."

Here are some question:


1. Why the sky is blue, and why the ocean is blue, too.
2. Are there a double rainbow, and how can we see a full circle rainbow
Why can't you ever find the end of the rainbow.
3. What is blue moon?
4. How can you distinguish left hand circularly polarized light and right hand circularly polarized light.

thanks a lot !
 
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I had the answers for those questions. Thanks russ_watters ... Your site is very nice!
 
You can see a nice circular rainbow - with a bit of luck - as you pass out of a cloud in a hot air balloon.
 
For question 4, I'm not sure how much you know about polarisation and optics/photonics, but I'll put in some things...

If a light wave is traveling in the z-direction, then it's electric field vector, E, lies in the x-y plane. It can hence be resolved into x and y components.

For linear polarisation, the two components must be exactly in phase or exactly out of phase in time.

The electric field vector then lies along a constant direction in space, and oscillates sinusoidally in magnitude in time.

(In the picture, this is the one on the left... the tip of the E field vector traces along the straight line sinusoidally.)

For circular polarisation, the two components have equal amplitudes, but are a quarter of a cycle out of phase in time. ie one component reaches it's peak at the same instant that the other passes through zero.

The resulting electric field vector has a constant magnitude, but it's direction rotates at a constant angular velocity.

(In the picture, this is the one on the right. The tip of the E field vector traces around the circle. - Don't forget this picture is looking at the wave coming towards you.)

Our eyes can't distinguish between left and right circularly polarised light (I don't think), but using some optical instruments in the lab, we can find out whether something is left or right polarised.

The thing you would need is called a quarter wave plate. It is a polariser made out of a material that introduces a phase change of 90 degrees.
The circularly polarised light would emerge from the plate linearly polarised at 45 degrees to the optical axis, and using another linear polariser we can determine whether the original polarisation was left or right.

I hope I haven't gone into too much detail and confused you... and also, I hope I haven't given you too little.

Have fun!:smile:
 

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I've heard that cellophane can make a good quater wave plate, but I've never tried it.

[add]Google finds
http://www.sas.org/E-Bulletin/2003-06-20/labNotesAS/body.html

also
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0950-7671/33/8/303
which is unfortunately not free access.
 
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All you need to make a QWP is a birefringent material - i.e. a material where light in one polarisation travels faster than the other. Just about all materials are birefringent to some degree, thus one could make a QWP out of just about any transparent medium they wished.

Cellophane though is a polymer, and polymers typically have a large birefringence, making them particularly suitable for these types of applications, but there are practical reasons why they aren't used. It could, in principle be done however, though I'm doubtful as to whether it would make a 'good' QWP.

Claude.
 

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