Can we calculate the optical illusion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of calculating optical illusions, specifically focusing on how the perception of an object's length changes based on its orientation (vertical vs. horizontal). Participants explore the principles of optics and the mental processes involved in perceiving these illusions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the orientation of an object affects its perceived size, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of the term "optical illusion."
  • Another participant mentions a neurological perspective, proposing that optical illusions may arise from the brain's extrapolation of visual information.
  • Some participants argue that certain optical phenomena, like those caused by temperature inversions, can be recorded and are not purely mental constructs, indicating a distinction between different types of optical illusions.
  • There is a suggestion that the perceived length of an object, such as a car park barrier, may lead to overestimation when viewed horizontally, prompting a query about whether this can be quantified using optical principles.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a more detailed explanation of the causes of optical illusions as they relate to camera recordings, indicating a need for clarification on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of optical illusions, with some emphasizing the mental aspects while others highlight physical phenomena. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calculation of perceived lengths and the definitions of optical illusions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about how optical illusions are defined and the dependence on individual interpretations of visual perception. The relationship between mental extrapolation and physical optics is not fully explored.

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Hi I was just wondering if it is possible to calculate the optical illusion. For example consider a barrier for the car park. It looks very long when it is vertical and upright but very small when it is horizontal. The illusion that we obtain when the barrier is vertical will make us assume that if the barrier is horizontal to be much longer than the actual length. now my question is, is it possible to calculate the difference between the illusion length and the actual length by the principle of optics? If so how
 
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I have no idea what "optical illusion" you are talking about. I don't know why you think being "horizontal" or "vertical" would affect how large something looks. Are you possibly talking about the difference between look down the length of an object as opposed to looking at it at a right angle to its length?
 
Optical illusions are primarily mental effects. There was a neurological paper published a few months ago about how the brain is constantly extrapolating what you see into the future, and they speculated that illusions were a result of the extrapolation gone awry.
 
But there are also optical illusions that can be recorded on camera, not brain constructs, such as those caused by temperature inversions in deserts...of horizon distortions on water where trees appear to "float"...

Likely these are caused by light scattering in different ways from different density air and hence displaced from their "normal" locations...
 
@ HallsofIvy

No the illusion I'm talking about is when you see an object like a carpark barrier upright the mind always extrapolates its length and if we are ask to calculate the distance mentally how much it would be in horizontally we always end up calculating more than the actual distance when it is horizontal. I just wanted to know if by principle of optics we can calculate this illusionary extra distance that our brain calculates.
 
@ Naty1

That' s very close what i had tried to frame. Maybe a better way to ask is what causes such illusions in a camera? And by the way your answer was very abstract. Can you please explain in detail about the same
 
Naty1 said:
But there are also optical illusions that can be recorded on camera, not brain constructs, such as those caused by temperature inversions in deserts...of horizon distortions on water where trees appear to "float"...

Likely these are caused by light scattering in different ways from different density air and hence displaced from their "normal" locations...

But are these REALLY considered as optical illusion? They are not illusion because they are due to basic optics.

I tend to think that optical illusion is more of what Manchot has described, which makes the topic of this thread very puzzling.

Zz.
 

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