Can you find the solution with this additional property?

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The discussion revolves around a two-dimensional series matrix defined by specific mathematical expressions. Participants are tasked with completing the matrix and calculating values for specific indices, such as A[9,11]. A proposed formula for the matrix elements is A(r, c) = 1/(2*r)*(r-c+1+sqrt((r-c+2)^2-2(r-c)+1)), which aligns with some of the values discussed. There is an emphasis on the properties of the matrix, noting that each row and column forms its own arithmetic series. Despite various attempts to calculate specific values, such as A(9,11) and A(3,2), there is uncertainty as none of the proposed answers consistently match the expected results. The conversation highlights the complexity of the series and the challenge in deriving a universally accepted solution.
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<br /> A[r,c] = \left(\begin{array}{cccccc}<br /> \frac{1}{2}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;...\\<br /> \frac{1}{4}\multsp \left(2+{\sqrt{8}}\right)&amp;\frac{1}{4}\multsp <br /> \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;...\\<br /> \frac{1}{6}\multsp \left(3+{\sqrt{13}}\right)&amp;-&amp;\frac{1}{6}\multsp <br /> \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;... \\<br /> \frac{1}{8}\multsp \left(4+{\sqrt{20}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;\frac{1}{8}\multsp <br /> \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;... \\<br /> \frac{1}{10}\multsp <br /> \left(5+{\sqrt{29}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;\frac{1}{10}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;...\\<br /> ...&amp;...&amp;...&amp;...&amp;...&amp;... <br /> \end{array}\right)<br />

How often have we solved linear series, how about a two dimensional series array

Can you complete the matrix?

Once you have it, instead of white just give the answer as a decimal number for say A[9,11] or any other pair

The answer is suprisingly simple :biggrin:


Edit-1
:biggrin: To note is that each induvidual row or column also forms its own logical arithmic series :biggrin:

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BicycleTree said:
The formula I got is:
A(r, c) = 1/(2*r)*(r-c+1+sqrt((r-c+2)^2-2(r-c)+1))
That matches the values you've given.
OOPS - redface shame etc :redface:

It is not the solution I had in mind - so you are correct. The solution I had in mind has a further property

\frac {A[r,c]}{A[n.r,n.c]} = n
 
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A[9, 11] = .061803? (Numbering from [0,0]; from [1,1] that would be A[10,12] = .061803[/color]
 
BicycleTree - sorry try again
 
Perhaps:
A(9, 11) = 1/18[/color]
 
BicycleTree said:
Perhaps:
A(9, 11) = 1/18[/color]
Sorry - wrong again
 
Maybe
A(9, 11) = .06867[/color]
 
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A[r,c] = \left(\begin{array}{cccccc} \frac{1}{2}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;...\\ \frac{1}{4}\multsp \left(2+{\sqrt{8}}\right)&amp;\frac{1}{4}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;...\\ \frac{1}{6}\multsp \left(3+{\sqrt{13}}\right)&amp;-&amp;\frac{1}{6}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;... \\ \frac{1}{8}\multsp \left(4+{\sqrt{20}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;\frac{1}{8}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;-&amp;... \\ \frac{1}{10}\multsp \left(5+{\sqrt{29}}\right)&amp;-&amp;-&amp;-&amp;\frac{1}{10}\multsp \left(1+{\sqrt{5}}\right)&amp;...\\...&amp;...&amp;...&amp;...&amp;...&amp;... \end{array}\right)

Is it,
A(11, 13)=O.6867?
 
my first guess:

A(3,2) = 0.80473...[/color]
 
marcus said:
my first guess:

A(3,2) = 0.80473...[/color]

Ahh! I see that my proposal is the same as bicycle tree gave in post #6, just two posts back.

I would also say, like bicycle tree, that

A(9,11) = 0.0.06867...[/color]

so he and I must be using the same formula for the general term A(r,c)
 
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Folks, none of the proposed answers match my series - either there are two solutions which would surprise me. So let's check marcus' or bicycletree's solution.

For the answers to be correct, :biggrin: each induvidual row or column also forms its own logical arithmic series :biggrin: .
 
  • #11
The formula I got is:
A(r, c) = 1/(2*r)*(r-c+1+sqrt((r-c+2)^2-2(r-c)+1))[/color]
That matches the values you've given.
 
  • #12
BicycleTree said:
The formula I got is:
A(r, c) = 1/(2*r)*(r-c+1+sqrt((r-c+2)^2-2(r-c)+1))
That matches the values you've given.
OOPS - redface shame etc :redface:

It is not the solution I had in mind - so you are correct. The solution I had in mind has a further property

\frac {A[r,c]}{A[n.r,n.c]} = n
 

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