Can You Get Botox for Knees? And Other Joys of Growing Old

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The discussion highlights the physical challenges and humorous realities of aging, particularly focusing on joint pain and mobility issues. Participants share personal experiences of struggling with tasks like climbing stairs or gardening due to injuries, with some expressing a desire for cosmetic solutions like Botox for wrinkles on knees. The conversation also touches on the decision to purchase an electric mower, leading to playful bets about potential mishaps while using it. Aging is further explored through reflections on changing physical abilities, the necessity of cross-training, and the social dynamics of growing older, including increased religiousness among the elderly. Participants share anecdotes about older relatives and friends facing health challenges, emphasizing the emotional toll of witnessing loved ones decline. The discussion balances humor with poignant observations about mortality and the importance of maintaining social connections, even in the face of significant health issues. Overall, the thread captures a blend of lighthearted banter and serious contemplation about the aging process.
  • #61
Danger said:
How about you do your whining to us and save the good times for him?
I would if he would talk to me. :devil:

Have you ever actually seen a mountain lion, Lisa? Its head is about the size of your body, and most of that head is teeth. They've been known, in our area, to take down a full-grown buffalo.
Lisa, you have too much going for you right now to go hiking with the mountain lions. If it ever dries up, I can't wait to go hiking again.
 
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  • #62
Evo said:
I would if he would talk to me. :devil:

Lisa, you have too much going for you right now to go hiking with the mountain lions. If it ever dries up, I can't wait to go hiking again.
You too! It's the time that your daughters(and garndchildren in future)really needs you!:smile:

Danger said:
How about you do your whining to us and save the good times for him?
Good idea! Although I'm sure that wouldn't be as good as whining to him!:-p
You know I think 1 of the reasons that women want to have a bf/husband is to nag at them whenever they want to!:devil:
Have you ever actually seen a mountain lion, Lisa? Its head is about the size of your body, and most of that head is teeth. They've been known, in our area, to take down a full-grown buffalo.
Nope, I've not! For no better reason that I'm still alive. Anyway 1 of the reasons that I wanted to go hiking with them was to meet(:smile:) them for the 1st and last time in my life!
 
  • #63
Lisa! said:
You know I think 1 of the reasons that women want to have a bf/husband is to nag at them whenever they want to!:devil:

Luckily, that isn't true of W. Otherwise, she'd be down the road.

Lisa! said:
Anyway 1 of the reasons that I wanted to go hiking with them was to meet(:smile:) them for the 1st and last time in my life!

There's a very good chance that it would be the last time. I remember from back in the early 70's when a kid about 12 years old ran across a cougar on the foot of a mountain in BC. It chased him and he split post-haste. In the running, he lost one of his rubber boots, but he managed to make it home. His family immediately set out to dispatch the cougar. One of them shot it and they dragged it home. Upon disassembly, they discovered that the only thing in that cat's stomach was the rubber boot. Kitty had been so hungry that she swallowed it whole. Had it turned out differently, she would have eaten the boot anyhow, but with the kid still in it.
 
  • #64
My old friend died last night. He was my best buddy for thirty years.

His name was Jim Rossas and he was gift to all who had the pleasure of knowing him. He enhanced the lives of more people than I can even imagine, and he remained active up to the very end. After two full careers - first as a teacher, and then as a politician - he was still a chairman for the California Retired Teachers association.

This is so strange, on one hand I have lost my longest friend in life, and at the same time it's a relief that he passed before his chronic condition got any worse. It was heart breaking to hear what he endured on a daily basis.

Most of us can only hope to contribute as much in life as Jim did.
 
  • #65
Sorry to hear of your best friend's passing away. It sounds like he had a long and full life. Best wishes to you and to his family.
 
  • #66
I'm really sorry to hear that Ivan, it sounded like you cared very much for him. My condolences.
 
  • #67
Sorry to hear that, Ivan. :frown:
 
  • #68
Friends are precious. Sorry to hear about your loss, Ivan.
 
  • #69
Thanks all. This is a tough one. It is slowly sinking in but still seems surreal.
 
  • #70
My condolensces Ivan. It's hard losing a family member and close friend. :frown: Even with the fond memories, their absence comes with a certain emptiness in the heart.
 
  • #71
Ivan Seeking said:
My old friend died last night. He was my best buddy for thirty years.
My condolensces Ivan. You were quite lucky to have such a good friend for over 3 decades.


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  • #72
This week my father is recovering from a third round of chemotherapy to hopefully prevent micrometastisis from colon cancer. His immune system took a whack, and the white blood cell count dropped to very low levels.

Of my father's college class, only 5 of about 65 are still alive.

My mom told me she'll probably be getting a pacemaker.

My mother-in-law experienced some adverse effects due to interactions of two medications. She had shortness of breathe and symptoms similar to congestive heart failure.

And my wife will be going to a neurologist for tests next week.


and I need a vacation from life. :frown:

My only complaint at the moment is tinnitus - a constant high-pitched ringing in my right ear.
 
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  • #73
Sorry to hear that Astronuc. It seems it never rains but pours.

I offer my best wishes to your family members and hope they feel better soon. And I'm also hoping you get a well deserved holiday where your worries will melt away in the near future.
 
  • #74
Sorry to hear about all the health problems, Astronuc. I should feel fortunate that my father and my mother-in-law (81 and 90) are pretty healthy and living independently. I see now why you need a get-away.
 
  • #75
My dad could have avoided all he's been through, if only he had had a colonoscopy a few years beforehand. He waited until after the cancer had a chance to fully develop. As it stands we 'hope' he'll be in remission after the next two treatments. And then he may have a few more years left. He's going try and hang on long enough to take care of mom. His goal has been to outlive her, so she won't have to be alone after he's gone. If he goes first, I expect she won't live much longer after that.
 
  • #76
Last year, I got scoped from both ends with a clean bill of health. It's not convenient or any fun at all, but it beats letting a relatively treatable form of cancer get a foothold, and at age 54, it was time to take a look. It's easy to forget that those of us in the US who have no insurance coverage could not afford these potentially life-saving diagnostic tests and are sentenced to death, or a long lingering disease (if treatment is available from some source) simply because they are poor. The rest of the industrialized world does not treat their citizens this way. It seems that in the US, if you are poor (for whatever reason) your life is expendable. This might be the norm in some despotic states in Asia and Africa, and South and Central America, but we can and should do better. I hope I didn't go too far OT, but inadequate or entirely missing health care coverage is going to be a HUGE issue when our (boomer) generation moves into retirement age and peoples' bodily systems start failing.
 
  • #77
Astronuc, I am sorry to hear that things are going so badly. I hope things improve, but I am most concerned about your wife. I wasn't aware that she was having problems. Please keep us informed.

I wanted to post a pic of Jim. I probably knew most of his faults and weaknesses, and though I'm feeling a bit emotional right now I have said this for years: He was the best man I have ever known and the best friend I can ever hope to have. He was truly a rare gift.

http://www.chicoer.com/oroville/ci_6266738

At the funeral I met one his physics students from the class of 1957, and like most of the town of Oroville, Ca., he still called Jim, Mr. Rossas. :biggrin:

He had a masters in mathematics from Berkeley [later he added an education degree], and while working on his Ph.D., he took a summer trip through Northern California. By chance he stopped in a little town along the way called Oroville and struck up a conversation with someone from the school district. The school district was a desparate need of a science and math teacher, and before it was over, Jim had been convinced to stay in Oroville and teach for a year to two until they could get someone else. He never left and Oroville would forever be his home.

Jim traveled the world, and as was noted at the funeral, he was not a tourist, rather, he was a traveler in the truest sense. He loved to immerse himself in the cultures that he encountered. He traveled throughout Asia, the Indonesian islands, the Middle East, Europe, and Africa, and I have spent at least many hundreds of hours listening to his stories. But of all, my favorite two are the following:

On one trip he visited a village somewhere I think in deepest darkest Africa where cannibalism was only one generation removed - many of the elders were once quite found of long-pig. To reach the village it was necessary to travel by boat for many miles, and being so remote, the people of the village had no use for money, so it was expected that each person would brings gifts. Well, this is one that I never let Jim live down. He took razor blades! I said Jim! You gave razor blades to cannibals? Forevermore, if I didn't agree with something he said, I often would remind him of the razor blades and then suggest that he may not have the best judgement. We always got a good laugh out of this.

Another one of my favorites I think comes from the same trip. The area would often experience flash floods, so the homes were all built on stilts. When Jim and his party pulled up to the main guest house for the village, the boat was tied to a tree, and everyone hauled their luggage up the steeply sloped walkway to the house. The next morning, Jim was quite surprised to see that the river had flooded and the water was nearly all the way up to the house. He looked down and saw the rear end of the boat sticking up out of the water and realized that being tethered to the tree, the front end was being held under. Jim wondered aloud how they were going to leave but the man of the house told him not to worry. Not long after, the wife dove off the front of the house, swam underwater, and untied the boat. Apparently this was just another common duty for housewives before preparing breakfast. :biggrin:

He was a fascinating man who lived a fascinating life, and it was an honor to call him my friend. Rest in peace Jim. We all loved you very much and I will miss you more than I can say.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1056/jimzs4.jpg
 
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  • #78
Update: My dad starts a 4th round of chemo next week. He's almost recovered from the last one.

My wife went to the doctor and a preliminary examination indicates progressive neuropathy. She's been getting numbness in her hands and feet, and pains in hips and lower back. She has a susceptibility to rheumatoid arthritis so the neuropathy could be related to an auto-immune issue.

More tests are required, and hopefully a cause and treatment identified. One part of the treatment is vitamin supplements, with which she hasn't been consistent.

My concern is that this could be the beginning of long degenerative process starting with the loss of the use of her hands and feet - not what we expected. Hopefully there is some treatment that slows or arrests the problem.


So take your vitamins, eat well and exercise.


On a brighter note, the wife of the brother of my sister-in-law (widow of my younger brother) gave birth to healthy baby boy - 7.5 lbs and 21 inches. They named him after my brother. That's very sweet. :smile:
 
  • #79
May your father and your wife both have positive outcomes. My wife and I are thinking of you and yours.
 
  • #80
My wife's tests were negative or inconclusive. We can rule out heavy metal poisoning and a few other things, but more tests are scheduled.

Meanwhile, my dad is having a rough time after the 4th round of chemo, and my mom is going into hospital on Monday for angioplasty and possibly cardiac stents. The pacemaker will come later. My siblings and I are starting to plan for the inevitable death of either parent - the survivor will need a significant amount of support.
 
  • #81
Sorry to hear about all this, Astronuc. I hope all of you good folks will get through this period with as little pain and suffering as possible.
 
  • #82
My father completed a fourth round of chemo and was being tested for a 5th round. Each time it's been a little bit worse for him. Well the good news is that he seems to be cancer free, i.e. below detectable levels. He may be in remission, but he will be tested again in several weeks for confirmation. If it does come back however, it's likely to come back with a vengeance. But at least he got a few more years.

My mom has some issues with blood pressure and erratic pulse, which are possibly consequences of a severe illness she had 6 weeks ago. So we have to watch her. I'll be visiting my parents over thanks giving with my wife and kids.

My wife has another test in 10 days concering her neuropathy. So it's wait and see.

The mothers of my sister-in-law (widow) and a close friend are in the hospital and they aren't doing very well. My wife's mom is still hanging in there, but she's slowed way down this past year.
 
  • #83
I'm very sorry to hear about this cluster. My family suffered through a really bad patch about 20 years ago and there were times when it seemed that we couldn't catch a break.
 
  • #84
Tsu goes in for a rather nasty test tomorrow.

...hoping for the best.
 
  • #85
My thoughts are with you both.
 
  • #86
Ivan Seeking said:
Tsu goes in for a rather nasty test tomorrow.

...hoping for the best.
Hoping for the best as well!
 
  • #87
Here is a little sing along to hopefully cheer up those of us who are a bit mature in years.

 
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  • #88
Ivan Seeking said:
Tsu goes in for a rather nasty test tomorrow.

...hoping for the best.
Ivan, this worries me, is she ok?
 
  • #89
We hope so...
 
  • #90
All is well. Tsu got food poisoning about two months ago, and this has led to minor complications. All of the really bad stuff is ruled out.
 

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