Can you prove a differential equation has no analytical solution?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a differential equation can be proven to have no analytical solution. Participants explore the definitions of analytical solutions, the conditions under which solutions may or may not be analytic, and the methods available to determine the existence of closed-form expressions for solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that finding a differential equation with no analytical solution is straightforward, citing the example of ##y'=2|x|##, which has solutions that are not analytic at 0.
  • Another participant counters that any differential equation will have a solution that is analytic on some set, prompting a request for clarification on the original question.
  • A different perspective is introduced with the example of ##y'=f(x)##, where ##f(x)## is continuous everywhere but differentiable nowhere, leading to solutions that are analytic nowhere.
  • One participant expresses a desire for clarification on the term "analytical solution" and discusses the distinction between analytic functions and closed-form expressions.
  • Another participant points out that the question may relate to whether there are methods to prove the existence of closed-form expressions for solutions, referencing Differential Galois Theory as a relevant area of study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of analytical solutions and whether a differential equation can lack an analytical solution entirely. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the definitions and implications of analytical solutions.

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There are ambiguities in the definitions of "analytical solution" and "closed-form expression," which may affect the discussion. The reliance on specific examples and the need for clarification on terms indicate that assumptions may vary among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying differential equations, mathematical analysis, or related fields in mathematics and engineering, particularly in understanding the nuances of solution types and methods for determining their existence.

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Can you prove a differential equation has no analytical solution?

Teach me ,please!

Thank you a lot!
 
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Is the problem only to find one differential equation which has no analytical solution? If so, it is easy:

Take for example ##y'=2|x|##. This has the general solution ##y=sgn(x) x^2 + C##. None of these solutions is analytic, since they are not twice differentiable at 0.
 
But any such differential equation will have a solution that is analytic on some set. Chener, please give us more information on exactly what you mean.
 
HallsofIvy said:
But any such differential equation will have a solution that is analytic on some set. Chener, please give us more information on exactly what you mean.
Not if we take ##y'=f(x)##, where ##f(x)## is a function which is continuous everywhere but differentiable nowhere. The general solution of this equation is ##y=F(x)+C##, where ##F## is an antiderivative of ##f##. All these solutions are analytic nowhere, since they are twice differentiable nowhere.

But I agree that Chener must tell us exactly what he means.
 
Sorry my English is poor !
Let me think about how to express
 
Given a Differential Equation.

Is there Analytic Solutions or not?

And how do we know that?example: Given the equation y''=-y-y'+(1+|y|)*sin(t)

,how to prove a it has no analytical solution?Teach me ,please!

Thank you a lot!
Analytic Solution is resovle from Analytic Method.
 
Yes ,this is my mean! thanks!
 
chener said:
analytical solution!

You must explain what you mean by "analytical solution".

The term "analytic function" has a technical meaning from the theory of complex variables. It is a function that can be expanded in a power series.

You might be using the phrase "analytical solution" to mean a function that can be written down as a finite string of symbols - such as a finite sum of products of polynomials, trig functions etc. The phrase "closed form expression" is used to describe such a function.

Whether the solution to a problem in calculus has a solution that is a "closed form expression" is a question about how strings of symbols can be manipulated.

Whether the solution to a problem in calculus is an "analytic function" is a problem of \epsilon and \delta reasoning.
 
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Your question, now that it has been clarified to mean "Is there a method or theorem that can definitively tell whether a given differential equation has a closed-form expression in terms of some collection of elementary functions?" is the subject of Differential Galois Theory. This theory started out with Liouville's ideas on being able to tell when an integral had a closed form expression and has since expanded from there. It is still an active area of research, as far as I know. Here is a taste of how the theory proceeds, starting with the simplest task of a separable differential equation, which is just an integral: http://www2.maths.ox.ac.uk/cmi/library/academy/LectureNotes05/Conrad.pdf .
 

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