Can You Prove $a > \sqrt[9]{8}$ is a Root of a Polynomial with $1 < a < 2$?

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The discussion revolves around proving that if \( a \) is a root of the polynomial equation \( x^5 - x - 2 = 0 \) with the condition \( 1 < a < 2 \), then it follows that \( a > \sqrt[9]{8} \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of inequalities related to polynomial roots.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if \( a \) is a root of the equation \( x^5 - x - 2 = 0 \), then it must be shown that \( a > \sqrt[9]{8} \).
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake regarding the strict inequality, indicating that the correct interpretation should exclude the equality.
  • There is a repetition of the initial claim regarding \( a \) being a root and the requirement to prove the inequality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove the inequality, but there is a noted correction regarding the strictness of the inequality, indicating some level of disagreement or confusion about the conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the proof of the inequality and the implications of the strict inequality versus equality in the context of the polynomial's roots.

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Let $1\lt a \lt 2$, $a$ is a root of the equation $x^5-x-2=0$. Prove that $\large a>\sqrt[9]{8}$.
 
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anemone said:
Let $1\lt a \lt 2$, $a$ is a root of the equation $x^5-x-2=0$. Prove that $\large a>\sqrt[9]{8}$.

let $f(x) = x^5-x-2=0$ then we have $f(1) = - 2$ , $f(2)= 28$ and $\frac{df}{dx} = 5x^4 -1 >=0$ for $ x> 1$
so f(1) is -ve and f(2) is + ve and f(x) is increasing in given range from 1 2 (other value
$>$ 1 also but we are not bothered)
if $a > \sqrt[9]8$ for a to be root $f(\sqrt[9]8 = \sqrt[3]2)$ is -ve
$f(\sqrt[3]2) = \sqrt[3]2^5 - \sqrt[3]2 -2= 2 *\sqrt[3]2^2 - \sqrt[3]2 - 2\cdots(1)$
Now $\frac{1}{2}(2 + \sqrt[3]2) >= \sqrt{2 \sqrt[3]2}= \sqrt[3]2^2$
or $2 + \sqrt[3]2 >= 2\sqrt[3]2^2$
from (1) and above we have $f(\sqrt[3]2) < 0 $ hence $a > \sqrt[9]8$
 
Well done, kaliprasad! And thanks for participating!(Cool)

My solution:

Since $a$ is a root of the equation $x^5-x-2=0$, we get the relation:

$a^5-a-2=0$

$a^5=a+2$(*)

Since $a$ is a positive real, we can apply the AM-GM inequality to the expression:

$a+2\ge 2\sqrt{2a}$

Now, we replace (*) into the inequality above to obtain:

$a^5\ge 2\sqrt{2a}$

Squaring both sides yields:

$a^{10}\ge 8a$

Again, since $a$ is a positive real, we can divide through the inequality above by $a$, and then taking ninth root on both sides of the inequality and the result follows:

$a^9\ge 8$

$a\ge \sqrt[9]{8}$ (Q.E.D.)
 
anemone said:
Well done, kaliprasad! And thanks for participating!(Cool)

My solution:

Since $a$ is a root of the equation $x^5-x-2=0$, we get the relation: $a\ge \sqrt[9]{8}$ (Q.E.D.)

we are supposed to prove $a\ > \sqrt[9]{8}$
 
kaliprasad said:
we are supposed to prove $a\ > \sqrt[9]{8}$

Ops...it was my bad...I should have realized the strict inequality should be in place but not including the "equal to" sign...

I will re-post my solution here of the correct version of my solution:

anemone said:
My solution:

Since $a$ is a root of the equation $x^5-x-2=0$, we get the relation:

$a^5-a-2=0$

$a^5=a+2$(*)

Since $a$ is a positive real, we can apply the AM-GM inequality to the expression:

$a+2\gt 2\sqrt{2a}$ (since $a\ne 2$)

Now, we replace (*) into the inequality above to obtain:

$a^5\gt 2\sqrt{2a}$

Squaring both sides yields:

$a^{10}\gt 8a$

Again, since $a$ is a positive real, we can divide through the inequality above by $a$, and then taking ninth root on both sides of the inequality and the result follows:

$a^9\gt 8$

$a\gt \sqrt[9]{8}$ (Q.E.D.)
 

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