Can't find the second derivative, help

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The discussion focuses on finding the second derivative \(\frac{d^2z}{dx^2}\) from the first derivative \(\frac{dz}{dx}=\sqrt{\frac{(-T)^2}{(k*(z-a)*(z-2*b+a)/2-T*cos(phi))^2}-1}\). The user attempts to apply the general equation \(\frac{d^2z}{dx^2} = F(z)\) and seeks to determine the constant \(C1\) in the integral. A solution is proposed by differentiating the first derivative with respect to \(z\) and multiplying by \(\frac{dz}{dx}\), leading to the expression \(\frac{d^2z}{dx^2} = f \frac{df}{dz}\).

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Homework Statement



Knowing that:

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex]=[tex]\sqrt{\frac{(-T)^2}{(k*(z-a)*(z-2*b+a)/2-T*cos(phi))^2}-1}[/tex]

What is:
[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dx^2}[/tex] ?


Homework Equations


I'm trying to solve using this general equation I found on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_equation):

[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dx^2}[/tex] =F(z) when x= integral(1/[tex]{\sqrt{\int F(z)*dz + C1}}[/tex],z)


The Attempt at a Solution



I've actually spent a couple of hours trying to solve this, but I can't find a way to solve for C1. Of course that if it's possible to solve this problem without using the general equation I propose well that's even better! Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated. Sorry that I couldn't make the equations look perfect using Latex, I hope they are clear enough.
 
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Since you know:
[tex]\frac{dz}{dx} = f(z)[/tex]
Just differentate again:
[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dx^2} = \frac{d}{dx}f(z) = \frac{df}{dz} \frac{dz}{dx} = f \frac{df}{dz}[/tex]
So just differentiate the right hand side(which is f(z)) with respect to z, and multiply by f(z).
 

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