Capacitance, voltage, distance and charge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between capacitance, voltage, distance, and charge in a capacitor connected to a battery. Participants explore the implications of increasing the distance between capacitor plates on capacitance and charge, while keeping the voltage constant.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that when the distance between capacitor plates is doubled, the capacitance decreases by a factor of 2, while the voltage remains constant due to the connection to a battery.
  • Another participant asserts that the charge on the capacitor halves as a result of the decreased capacitance.
  • A further contribution discusses the energy changes involved, noting that a specific amount of energy is lost by the capacitor and returned to the battery, prompting a question about the source of the remaining energy.
  • One participant reiterates the relationship between charge, voltage, and capacitance, deriving that the charge on the plates also decreases by half when the distance is doubled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the charge on the capacitor decreases when the distance between the plates is increased, but the discussion includes different perspectives on the energy dynamics involved. There is no consensus on the specifics of energy changes or the source of the additional energy mentioned.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the equations relating capacitance, charge, and voltage, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of energy loss or the exact mechanisms behind it.

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NOT HOME WORK QUESTION!

If a capacitor is attached to a battery, initially the separation between the capacitor plates is D then the distance is doubled(2D). The voltage should remain the same because it is still attached to a battery. C=E0A/D so the capacitance decrease by factor of 2. my question is that since the capacitance decreased, the voltage or the charge must have decreased. so did the charge decrease or increase?
 
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V remains the same, the charge on the capacitor halves.
 
my question is that since the capacitance decreased, the voltage or the charge must have decreased. so did the charge decrease or increase?
Yes the charge on the capacitor certainly did decrease. Exactly half of the initial charge did in fact flow back into the battery.

It's interesting to calculate the electrical energies involved in this case. It's relatively easy to show that a stored energy of [itex]\frac{1}{4} C_0 V^2[/itex] Joules was lost by the capacitor while a net energy of [itex]\frac{1}{2} C_0 V^2[/itex] Joules was returned to the battery.

I'll leave it as an exercise to figure out where the other [itex]\frac{1}{4} C_0 V^2[/itex] J of energy came from.
 
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seto6 said:
NOT HOME WORK QUESTION!

If a capacitor is attached to a battery, initially the separation between the capacitor plates is D then the distance is doubled(2D). The voltage should remain the same because it is still attached to a battery. C=E0A/D so the capacitance decrease by factor of 2. my question is that since the capacitance decreased, the voltage or the charge must have decreased. so did the charge decrease or increase?

Charge, voltage and capacitance are related by the equation Q = VC, where Q is the charge on the plates of the capacitor, C is the capacitance of the capacitor, and V is the voltage dropped across the capacitor.

So if you double the plate separation distance, and you know that the capacitance is inversely related to that distance, then you must have cut the capacitance by half.

C = EOER(A/d) and if d is now 2d then C' = EOER(A/2d) = (1/2)C, so the new capacitance C' is 1/2 the old capacitance, C.

So, now plug that back into the function relating the voltage and capacitance to the charge on the plates. Let Q be the charge that was on the plates when the capacitor plates were separated by a distance, d, and let Q' be the charge on the plates by separating them by twice the distance:

Q = VC
Q' = V(1/2)C = (1/2)VC
Q' = (1/2)Q

The amount of charge on the plates by separating them by twice the distance they were separated at causes the charge on the plates to drop by half also.

Many Smiles,
Craig :smile:
 

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