Capacitor start single phase motor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the control of a single-phase capacitor start motor used in a hydraulic pump for a barrier mechanism. Participants explore the challenges of reversing the motor direction and protecting the control system from environmental factors. The scope includes practical application and technical reasoning regarding motor wiring and control systems.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the need to build a new control system for a hydraulic barrier due to failures of the existing electronic circuit board.
  • Another participant explains that reversing the direction of a capacitor-start motor involves reversing the polarity of one pair of leads, but notes that a running single-phase induction motor cannot be reversed.
  • A question is raised about whether the control unit operates a valve to switch fluid between the pistons instead of reversing the motor direction.
  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the wiring of the motor, questioning if their assumption about the cores being two switch wires and a neutral is correct.
  • A participant provides a reference to a manual, suggesting specific wire connections to reverse the motor direction and mentions the need for a double pole double throw (DPDT) switch.
  • The original poster later confirms that they solved the problem by using relays to manually reverse the polarity of the pump, as suggested.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method to reverse the motor direction, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific wiring and control mechanisms involved. The discussion reflects a mix of technical explanations and practical solutions without a definitive consensus on all aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of certainty regarding the motor wiring and control system, with some assumptions about the function of the control unit remaining unverified. The discussion does not resolve all technical details related to the motor's operation.

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hi

I have been given the task to sort out a broken barrier at the entrance to my work. It is a simple enough system, push button to go up/down and a stop button. Within the barrier mechanism is 2 pistons (one for up, one for down) which are controlled by a hydraulic pump. The pump has a single phase capacitor start motor. This is bidirectional to control either of the pistons.

My problem; the direction of the motor is controlled by an electronic circuit board mounted within the barrier mechanism. This is continually getting wet and failing no matter how much we try to protect it. I now want to build my own system with either a plc unit, or simply relay system, away from the barrier itself to protect from the elements. I am unsure the best way to do this for the reversal of the motor direction. The motor core colours from the built in flex are brown, blue, black, earth, which i assume is switch wire, neutral, switch wire, earth?? Do i need 2 capacitors, one for each switch wire? any help greatly appreciated.
 
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In a standard FHP capacitor-start motor, there are two pairs of leads, the motor-run leads and the motor-start leads. All you need to do to reverse the direction of the motor is reverse the polarity of one pair. You cannot reverse the direction of a running single phase induction motor (most, anyway).

Bob S
 
The pump has a single phase capacitor start motor. This is bidirectional to control either of the pistons.
Are you sure the control unit is not just operating a valve to switch the fluid between the pistons?
 
thanks.

the motor is continually changing direction for the up or down movement of the barrier. After Don asking, i double checked this. The motor has a pre-wired flex to it with 3 cores and earth. As it is single phase, i presumed it must be two switch wires and a neutral? is my logic wrong here?? please advise, thanks.
 
page 2 of this link shows the hydraulic unit that I am on about. And the electronic board within enclosure that has been so problematic. http://www.ecssecurity.co.uk/pdf/info/FAAC%20620%20TRAFFIC%20BARRIER.pdf
 
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See page 3 of this:

http://igor.chudov.com/manuals/ElectricMotors.pdf

Reverse the connections of wires #5 and #8 in illustration on 3rd page to reverse direction of starting coil. You will need a double pole double throw (DPDT) switch to do this. The motor direction could be reversing automatically due to either physical limit switches or excessive torque (hydraulic pump pressure) switches.

Bob S
 
thanks to all. problem now solved.
Using a small bank of relays (plc unit was prob not worth paying for) we have now set a system that works ok. The pump needed to be switched over by manually reversing the polarity like bob explained. This was achieved by the way we wired it.

cheers guys, appreciated

martin
 

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