Carbon at very low temperatures

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The discussion centers on the properties and behaviors of chemically and isotopically pure carbon at very low temperatures, exploring its thermal conductivity, spectroscopic characteristics, and electrical conductivity. Participants reference various applications and studies related to carbon in low-temperature environments.

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  • One participant inquires about studies on pure carbon at low temperatures, suggesting its significance.
  • Another participant notes that carbon's thermal conductivity drops significantly below 15K, making it useful in certain engineering applications.
  • A participant mentions the use of charcoal sorption pumps to achieve temperatures below 1K and highlights the importance of studying carbon's adsorption properties at low temperatures.
  • Discussion includes the potential for carbon to exhibit sharper spectroscopic properties at low temperatures, similar to crystals, though the specifics of this behavior are questioned.
  • One participant reflects on their past experience with laser crystals, noting the sharp emission peaks observed at liquid helium temperatures.
  • Another participant challenges the uniqueness of the observed behavior in carbon, suggesting it may be a common characteristic across various materials.
  • A question is raised about the specific temperature at which carbon conducts electricity, leading to a discussion on the conductivity of different forms of carbon, such as graphite and diamond.
  • One participant provides a brief explanation of the conductivity differences between graphite and diamond, referencing their hybridization states.

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Participants express varying views on the properties of carbon at low temperatures, with some agreeing on its significance and applications, while others question the specifics of its behavior. No consensus is reached on the nuances of carbon's conductivity or spectroscopic characteristics.

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Some claims about carbon's properties depend on specific conditions and definitions, such as the form of carbon being discussed and the temperature ranges involved. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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This discussion may be of interest to researchers and students in materials science, condensed matter physics, and engineering, particularly those focused on low-temperature phenomena and carbon-based materials.

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Has study or experimentation been done on chemically and isotopically pure carbon at very low temperatures? Thanks, Rich Peterson
 
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Probably - most things have.
It has a useful engineering property. It's thermal conductivity drops suddenly below about 15K. You use it as a thermal short on liquid Helium cooled instruments, it gives you a thermal path to get the cold in during pre-cooling but then 'disconnects' to give good insulation once you are cold.
 
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Moreover, charcoal sorption pumps are routinely used to get to temperatures below 1K. Adsorption energies and kinetics for different elements/compounds at various temperatures would definitely have been well studied. At temperatures above 1K, carbon-glass RTDs are widely used for thermometry in magnetic fields. Lots of good reasons to study carbon at low temperatures.

But as mgb said above, it doesn't matter that there be reasons - it would have been studied nevertheless.
 
In laser spectroscopy, crystals emit shorter bandwidths at very low temperatures. So their radiation has sharper peaks. Carbon might have similar properties if it has any spectroscopic use.
 
nanoWatt said:
In laser spectroscopy, crystals emit shorter bandwidths at very low temperatures. So their radiation has sharper peaks. Carbon might have similar properties if it has any spectroscopic use.
How is this different from garden variety thermal broadening that is seen in virtually every spectrum of any material?
 
I am not sure, since I studied the laser crystals many years ago. We cooled them to liquid Helium temperatures, and just noticed the emission peaks became very sharp.

We would use the 514nm Argon, and the crystals would emit in the IR. We weren't interested in the broadening, but more the narrowing of the emission cross-section.
 
nanoWatt said:
I am not sure, since I studied the laser crystals many years ago. We cooled them to liquid Helium temperatures, and just noticed the emission peaks became very sharp.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you completely, this is perfectly natural behavior that is not characteristic of your specific material. Take a look at the temperature dependence of any photoluminescence spectrum, or x-ray diffraction/fluorescence spectra, or spin resonance spectra, etc.
 
somewhere i read carbon conducts electricity at some specific temperature...is it true?
 
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Rajini said:
somewhere i read carbon conducts electricity at some specific temperature...is it true?

Yep, different forms of pure carbon also exhibit different properties of conductivity. Specifically, graphite is a good conductor, which becomes even better when made into different structures such as fullerines. Diamond is a good insulator unless mixxed in with some other element (such as blue diamond, a semiconductor).

A quick word as to why, graphite is sp2 hybridized which allows for the movement of electrons, while diamond is sp3. The pi bond is graphite covers multiple atoms and allows for delocalization of electrons. I won't go into too much detail, since this information is something I'd expect you can find in lots of introductory books on quantum mechanics or nanotechnology.

Lots of work is being done on superconductivity in carbon nanostructures, a quick search on arxiv and you can probably find some of the more interesting papers and something a bit more advanced. Will post more on this subject when I have more time.
 
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hi thanks..for making me to remember these nice details..
 
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It's cool, sometimes the simplest stuff is the easiest to forget :redface:
 
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I often forget to put on my shoes before going to work :P
 

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