Carnot Engine ~ Electric Generating station

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the operation of an electric generating station designed to output 1.4 MW using a turbine that operates at two-thirds the efficiency of a Carnot engine. The problem involves calculating the rate of energy exhausted as heat, given a specific combustion temperature and a cooling temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the efficiency of the Carnot engine and its relation to the input and output energy. There are attempts to derive the rate of heat exhaust based on the given parameters, including the combustion temperature and the cooling temperature.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on using the first law of thermodynamics to relate the various quantities involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the heat input and output in terms of efficiency and work done, with multiple interpretations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the calculations and relationships between the variables, indicating a need for clarification on the definitions and equations involved. The problem constraints include the requirement to use Kelvin for temperature and the specific efficiency of the turbine.

Coti1002
Messages
2
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



An electric generating station is designed to have an electric output power of 1.4 MW using a turbine with two-thirds efficiency of a Carnot engine. The Exhaust energy is transferred by heat to a cooling tower at 110°C.

a) Find the rate at which the station exhausts energy by heat as a function of the fuel combustion temperature Th

Homework Equations



e= w/Qh=1-Qc/Qh , e_carnot=1-Tc/Th, P=W/t

The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing i have been able to figure out so far is e=(2/3)(1-(Tc/Th) Where Tc=383K

I have been struggling with this one for quite some time and humbly asking for your help

The book lists the answer as Qc/Δt=1.4((.5Th+383)/(Th-383))
I am so confused...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Book is right.

What is the efficiency of a Carnot engine as a function of Th and Tc? Then, what is actual Qh and therefore actual Qc? Hint: use 1st law.
 
I'm Sorry I'm still not following you...

Man I feel like an idot.. What am i missing?
 
Last edited:
Coti1002 said:

Homework Statement



An electric generating station is designed to have an electric output power of 1.4 MW using a turbine with two-thirds efficiency of a Carnot engine. The Exhaust energy is transferred by heat to a cooling tower at 110°C.

a) Find the rate at which the station exhausts energy by heat as a function of the fuel combustion temperature Th


Homework Equations



e= w/Qh=1-Qc/Qh , e_carnot=1-Tc/Th, P=W/t

The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing i have been able to figure out so far is e=(2/3)(1-(Tc/Th) Where Tc=383K

I have been struggling with this one for quite some time and humbly asking for your help

The book lists the answer as Qc/Δt=1.4((.5Th+383)/(Th-383))
I am so confused...
If the output power is 1.4 MW what is the rate at which energy is input? Hint: efficiency = output/input = (dW/dt)/(dQh/dt)

Once you get the rate of energy input, given the work output dW/dt = 1.4MW you can calculate the rate of exhaust energy Qc using W = Qh-Qc (i.e. dW/dt = dQh/dt - dQc/dt).

Since efficiency is a function of Th (Tc=110C) you will have a Th in your answer. Be sure to use the Kelvin scale for T.
AM
 
Last edited:
Coti1002 said:
I'm Sorry I'm still not following you...

Man I feel like an idot.. What am i missing?

<<What is the efficiency of a Carnot engine as a function of Th and Tc? Then, what is actual Qh and therefore actual Qc? Hint: use 1st law. >>Try to answer those two questions! The first is in your textbook. Call it e.

Then, what does the 1st law say? How about Qh = Qc + W?
For your system, efficiency = 2e/3 = e' so write Qh in terms of W and e'( Th, Tc).
Then, solve for Qc. Realize that the answer to your problem is dQc/dt which will be in terms of dW/dt = P = 1.4MW as well as Th and Tc.

I can say no more.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
8K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
5K