Cartesian Equation for Parametrized Curve: Find Solution

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The discussion revolves around finding the Cartesian equation for the parametrized curve defined by \( r(t)=(\cos^2 t, \sin^2 t) \) and later extends to another curve \( r(t)=(e^t, t^2) \). Participants explore the implications of the parametrization and the necessary conditions for the Cartesian representation, including the ranges of the functions involved.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that since \( \cos^2 t + \sin^2 t = 1 \) for all \( t \), the coordinates \( x = \cos^2 t \) and \( y = \sin^2 t \) satisfy \( x + y = 1 \).
  • Others suggest that additional considerations are necessary regarding the surjectivity of \( \cos^2 t \) and \( \sin^2 t \) onto the interval \([0, 1]\).
  • Participants discuss the need to impose restrictions on \( x \) and \( y \), specifically \( 0 \leq x \leq 1 \) and \( 0 \leq y \leq 1 \).
  • A later reply proposes a similar approach for the curve \( r(t)=(e^t, t^2) \), suggesting that \( y = (\ln x)^2 \) for \( x > 0 \) and \( y \geq 0 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for additional conditions regarding the ranges of the functions involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the sufficiency of the arguments presented for the Cartesian equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the ranges and restrictions of the functions involved in the parametrization, which may not be fully resolved in the exchanges.

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Hello! (Wave)

I want to find the cartesian equation of the following parametrized curve:

$$r(t)=(\cos^2 t, \sin^2 t)$$

I have tried the following:

Since $\cos^2 t+ \sin^2 t=1, \forall t$, the coordinates $x= \cos^2 t, y= \sin^2 t$ of $r(t)$ satisfy $x+y=1$.

Is the above sufficient or is a reverse implication needed? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

I want to find the cartesian equation of the following parametrized curve:

$$r(t)=(\cos^2 t, \sin^2 t)$$

I have tried the following:

Since $\cos^2 t+ \sin^2 t=1, \forall t$, the coordinates $x= \cos^2 t, y= \sin^2 t$ of $r(t)$ satisfy $x+y=1$.

Is the above sufficient or is a reverse implication needed? (Thinking)

Hey evinda! (Smile)

Indeed, something more is needed.
Let's just consider what the ranges of $\cos^2 t$ and $\sin^2 t$ are...
Are they surjective on $\mathbb R$? (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey evinda! (Smile)

Indeed, something more is needed.
Let's just consider what the ranges of $\cos^2 t$ and $\sin^2 t$ are...
Are they surjective on $\mathbb R$? (Thinking)

They are surjective from $\mathbb{R}$ to $[0,1]$, right?
 
evinda said:
They are surjective from $\mathbb{R}$ to $[0,1]$, right?

Yep.
So perhaps we should set some bounds on the curve defined by $x+y=1$. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep.
So perhaps we should set some bounds on the curve defined by $x+y=1$. (Thinking)

Don't we have to pick these restrictions? (Thinking)

$$0 \leq x \leq 1 \\ 0 \leq y \leq 1$$
 
evinda said:
Don't we have to pick these restrictions? (Thinking)

$$0 \leq x \leq 1 \\ 0 \leq y \leq 1$$

Yep. (Happy)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. (Happy)

So can we say the following?

Since $\cos^2 t+ \sin^2 t=1, \forall t$, the coordinates $x= \cos^2 t, y= \sin^2 t$ of $r(t)$ satisfy $x+y=1$ with $0 \leq x \leq 1, 0 \leq y \leq 1$.

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So if we want to find the cartesian equation of $r(t)=(e^t, t^2)$ can we say the following?

Since $t^2= (\ln e^t)^2 , \forall t$, the coordinates $x=e^t, y=t^2$ satisfy $y=(\ln x)^2$ for $x >0 , y \geq 0$.
 
evinda said:
So can we say the following?

Since $\cos^2 t+ \sin^2 t=1, \forall t$, the coordinates $x= \cos^2 t, y= \sin^2 t$ of $r(t)$ satisfy $x+y=1$ with $0 \leq x \leq 1, 0 \leq y \leq 1$.

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So if we want to find the cartesian equation of $r(t)=(e^t, t^2)$ can we say the following?

Since $t^2= (\ln e^t)^2 , \forall t$, the coordinates $x=e^t, y=t^2$ satisfy $y=(\ln x)^2$ for $x >0 , y \geq 0$.

Seems fine to me. (Smile)
 
I like Serena said:
Seems fine to me. (Smile)

Nice... Thanks a lot! (Smirk)
 

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