Center of Existence: Is Earth Really the Center of the Universe?

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The discussion explores the philosophical idea of the Earth as the center of the universe, suggesting that existence is inherently centered around individual perception. It posits that if the universe is endless, then each person is always at their own center, much like a bug under a rock perceives its domain as the entirety of existence. The conversation delves into the concept of time and space converging in the present moment, emphasizing that every individual experiences their own reality from their unique perspective. The notion of a "central mountain," as articulated by Black Elk, symbolizes a universal axis around which all existence revolves, merging the ideas of stillness and movement. This leads to the conclusion that if everyone is at their center, it implies a divine embrace of all existence, questioning the necessity of the term "God" itself. The dialogue reflects on the relativity of perception and the interconnectedness of all beings within the universe.
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So, the Earth is not the http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61 huh? How so?

If the Universe is endless, then we must be in its center. In fact we always will be. Why? Because that's what existence is all about, being in the center of who we are ... If you told the bug under the rock that his little domain wasn't the center of the universe, do you think he'd get it? How could he? Else he'd have to concern himself with some other bug under some other rock in some other galaxy far far away, let alone the bug under a rock just two feet away! And do you think that would wash over? ;)

So, is it wrong to believe the Earth is the center of the Universe then? Afterall, everything operates from within its center doesn't it? In fact if we understood this, we might understand that the Holy Land of all our mythologies is not someplace out there but, within us. :smile:
 
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The universe is not necessarily endless, and if it were, the phenomena that would result (infinitely many copies of you, for example) would destroy any simple reasoning. "A sphere with surface nowhere and center everywhere" is not a mathematical statement but an ill-defined mystical one.
 
selfAdjoint said:
The universe is not necessarily endless, and if it were, the phenomena that would result (infinitely many copies of you, for example) would destroy any simple reasoning. "A sphere with surface nowhere and center everywhere" is not a mathematical statement but an ill-defined mystical one.
Time and space comes together in the here and now. And no matter where you go, you're there. :wink:
 
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Time and space comes together in the here and now. And no matter where you go, you're there. :wink:
I don't know about you; but, I'm always here. Everytime I go somewhere, no matter where I go, I am always here. You, on the other hand are always there. From your aspect, of course, no matter where I go I am always there, proving once again that everything is relative.

We all individually and collectively are always right here in the center, the center of our being and thus the universe, no matter where our bodies or or thoughts may be.
So here I am and there you are. :wink:
 
The vision of Black Elk

Excerpt from Joseph Campbell's, The Power of Myth ...


The vision of Black Elk ...

He says, "I saw myself on the central mountain of the world, the highest place, and I had a vision because I was seeing in the sacred manner of the world." And the sacred central mountain was Harney Peak in South Dakota. And then he says, "But the central mountain is everywhere."

That is a real mythological realization. It distinguishes between the local cult image, Harney Peak, and its connotation as the center of the world. The center of the world is the axis mundi, the central point, the pole around which all revolves. The central point of the world is the point where stillness and movement are together. Movement is time, but stillness is eternity. Realizing how this moment of your life is actually a moment of eternity, and experiencing the eternal aspect of what you're doing in the temporal experience -- this is the mythological experience.
 
Royce said:
I don't know about you; but, I'm always here. Everytime I go somewhere, no matter where I go, I am always here. You, on the other hand are always there. From your aspect, of course, no matter where I go I am always there, proving once again that everything is relative.

We all individually and collectively are always right here in the center, the center of our being and thus the universe, no matter where our bodies or or thoughts may be.
So here I am and there you are. :wink:
If we're all in our center, and the center is everywhere, that's another way of saying God embraces everything, right? :wink:
 
Iacchus32 said:
If we're all in our center, and the center is everywhere, that's another way of saying God embraces everything, right? :wink:
Yep! And God is everything and everything is God.
 
Royce said:
I don't know about you; but, I'm always here. Everytime I go somewhere, no matter where I go, I am always here. You, on the other hand are always there. From your aspect, of course, no matter where I go I am always there, proving once again that everything is relative.

We all individually and collectively are always right here in the center, the center of our being and thus the universe, no matter where our bodies or or thoughts may be.
So here I am and there you are.

That was so cute! :cool:
 
God is everything, huh? Wouldn't that make the term "god" completely superfluous? Can we then discard the concept entirely?
 
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God is everything, huh? Wouldn't that make the term "god" completely superfluous? Can we then discard the concept entirely?
God is singularity itself. :wink:
 

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