Center of Mass in Special Relativity: Observer Dependence?

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I know that in GR center of mass is not well defined.
Whats about SR?
Is a worldline of center of mass observer-dependent or not?

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As rest mass is not conserved, as I understand, it makes sense to talk about center of relativistic mass = center of energy?
 
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Dmitry67 said:
I know that in GR center of mass is not well defined.
Whats about SR?
Is a worldline of center of mass observer-dependent or not?

P.S.
As rest mass is not conserved, as I understand, it makes sense to talk about center of relativistic mass = center of energy?

In SR, energy and momentum are well-defined and the center of mass of a closed system moves in a straight line at constant velocity with constant energy.
 
Dmitry67 said:
I know that in GR center of mass is not well defined.
Whats about SR?
Is a worldline of center of mass observer-dependent or not?

P.S.
As rest mass is not conserved, as I understand, it makes sense to talk about center of relativistic mass = center of energy?

It is an exercise in Rindler: Relativity: Special, General & Cosmological (2nd ed, ex. 6.5) to show that the "centre of mass" \Sigma(E\textbf{x})/\Sigma E is observer-dependent. But the worldlines of all the different observers' centres of masses are all parallel to each other, and are all at rest in the centre of momentum frame (the frame in which the total momentum is zero).

I guess it could be better described as "centre of energy". Rindler is one of the few academics who still use "mass" to mean relativistic mass.
 
Ha, thank you both (even your answers are slightly contradicting :) )
 
Center of mass is not a useful concept in SR.
Center of energy doesn't help because it changes in a Lorentz transformation.
 
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