Center of mass of cone using cylindrical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around setting up an integral expression for calculating the center of mass of a cone using cylindrical coordinates, with specified height H and radius R.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral, including the limits of integration for different variables. There is a focus on the relationship between the radius and height of the cone, and how to express the radius in terms of the height during integration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications on the order of integration and the limits for the integrals. There is an acknowledgment of the need to express the radius as a function of height, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of uniform density and the geometric properties of the cone, while also addressing potential misunderstandings in the setup of the integrals.

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Homework Statement

Set up intergral expression for center of mass of a cone using cylindrical coordinates with a given height H and radius R



Homework Equations


rdrddθdz is part of the inter grand. M/V=D volume of cone is 1/3π(r^2)H



The Attempt at a Solution



dm=Kdv dv=drdθdx K is just a constant because it is uniform density and mass. ∫∫∫zdrdθdz
z=z. Equation for cone in cylindrical coordinates is Z=(H/R)r. The top is bounded by Z=H. The angle is from o to 2π and the radius is square root of H^2+R^2. Once I take this integral I then divide by the same integral but instead there is no extra z in the inter grand. After all is set in done I get the wrong answer. I believe my initial set up might be wrong. Can anyone verify that or give a helpful suggestion thanks.
 
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Hard to follow but what did you use for your lower limit on the inside dz integral?

[Edit: Woops I misread your order of integration... wait a sec...Ok, if you integrate dr first, r goes from zero to the cone. What did you use for r on the cone?
 
for r I used the square root of H^2+R^2
 
xdrgnh said:
for r I used the square root of H^2+R^2

But that is a constant. The radius varies as z moves up the cone. Use the equation of the cone to get r in terms of z for your lower limit.
 
I used that for the dr for the dz I used H/R(r) as the lower limit.
 
xdrgnh said:
I used that for the dr for the dz I used H/R(r) as the lower limit.

Your integrals are showing r dr dθ dz in that order. In that order you would integrate z last and its limits must be constant. Order matters so what order are you using?

\int_{lower}^{upper}\int_{lower}^{upper}\int_{lower}^{upper} (...)rd?d?d?

Quote this in your reply and fill in between the brackets and the question marks with what you did. Then it will be easy to see what you did wrong.
 
LCKurtz said:
Your integrals are showing r dr dθ dz in that order. In that order you would integrate z last and its limits must be constant. Order matters so what order are you using?

\int_{(H/R)r}^{H}\int_{0}^{2∏}\int_{0}^{R} (...)rd?d?d?

Quote this in your reply and fill in between the brackets and the question marks with what you did. Then it will be easy to see what you did wrong.
\int_{0}^{2∏}\int_{0}^{R}\int_{(H/R)r}^{H} (...) zrdzdrdθ
 
xdrgnh said:
\int_{0}^{2∏}\int_{0}^{R}\int_{(H/R)r}^{H} zrdzdrdθ

OK. That integral is correct for your numerator when calculating \bar z. When you divide it by the volume you should get \bar z providing you don't make any algebra mistakes. Good luck, I have to go now.
 

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