How Do Centralizers and Generators Organize Group Elements?

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Centralizers and generators are crucial concepts in group theory, with centralizers representing elements that commute with a subgroup. The centralizer of a subgroup S in a group G, denoted Z(S), can be visualized as a measure of how abelian S is compared to G. For example, in the non-abelian group S3, the centralizer of S3 is minimal, while the centralizer of smaller subgroups can be larger. The center of a group, which commutes with all elements, is always abelian but not necessarily the largest abelian subgroup. Understanding these relationships helps clarify the structure and properties of groups.
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I'm having trouble grasping the concept of centralizers and generators. Is there any way to visualize these groups?

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For example, the centralizer of S in G (S is a subgp of G) is given by
Z(S) ={g ε G : gh = hg for all h ε G}

Does that just mean it is like the biggest abelian subgroup of G?
I'm pretty unclear on the concept of generator, and the notation use.
 
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Locoism said:
I'm having trouble grasping the concept of centralizers and generators. Is there any way to visualize these groups?

Edit:
For example, the centralizer of S in G (S is a subgp of G) is given by
Z(S) ={g ε G : gh = hg for all h ε G}

Does that just mean it is like the biggest abelian subgroup of G?
I'm pretty unclear on the concept of generator, and the notation use.

the center of a group is the subgroup that commutes with every element of the group. The centralizer of a subgroup is the group that commutes with every element of the subgroup.


the centralizer does not need to be abelian. For instance the centralizer of the center is the entire group.
 
let's pick a group, and see what we get for some different test values.

we'll pick S3, it's small, and non-abelian, so maybe we'll learn something.

now (1 2)(1 3) = (1 3 2), while (1 3)(1 2) = (1 2 3), so neither (1 2) or (1 3)

can be in the center of S3.

(1 2)(1 2 3) = (2 3), while (1 2 3)(1 2) = (1 3), so (1 2 3) isn't in the center.

(1 2)(1 3 2) = (1 3), (1 3 2)(1 2) = ( 2 3), so (1 3 2) isn't in the center.

(1 2)(2 3) = (1 2 3), (2 3)(1 2) = (1 3 2), so (2 3) isn't in the center.

so Z(S3) is just the identity (S3 is VERY non-abelian, hardly anything commutes).

let's see what happens if we try to centralize a smaller set.

let's choose H = {1, (1 2 3), (1 3 2)}.

straight-away we see that (1 2), (1, 3) and (2, 3) aren't in Z(H), from our investigations into the center.

but (1 2 3)^-1 = (1 3 2), and everything commutes with its inverse, so

Z(H) = H.

note that if we pick S = {1}, everything commutes with the identity, so Z({1}) = S3.

notice that the smaller S gets, the bigger Z(S) got. Z(S) is sort of a way of telling:

"how abelian is S compared to the rest of G".

the identity subgroup is VERY abelian, so it makes sense that Z({1}) is big. S3 is not very abelian, so it makes sense Z(S3) is small. {1,(1 2 3),(1 3 2)} is sort of "in the middle", everything in it commutes with itself (because it's an abelian subgroup), but it doesn't commute with anything outside of it.

if a subgroup H is abelian, Z(H) will contain all of H, and maybe more.

if a subgroup H is not abelian, Z(H) won't contain all of H.

if the main group G is abelian, of course, Z(H) = G for every subgroup H.

the center of G, Z(G) will always be an abelian group (since everything in it commutes with everything, including its own elements), but it isn't necessarily the largest abelian subgroup of G. for example, in the group D4 =

{1,r,r^2,r^3,s,rs,r^2s,r^3s}, the center is {1,r^2}, but the subgroup {1,r,r^2,r^3} is abelian and is clearly larger.
 
Thank you Deveno that was really helpful. Man this stuff is abstract...
 
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