Chain Rule: Solving y' for y=cot^7(x^5)

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function y = cot^7(x^5) using the chain rule. Participants are exploring the application of the chain rule to functions composed of multiple layers, specifically focusing on the correct order of differentiation and the treatment of each function within the composition.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of applying the chain rule multiple times due to the composition of three functions. There is an exploration of how to differentiate each layer correctly while maintaining the integrity of the inner functions during the process.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process, emphasizing the importance of treating each function distinctly. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the application of the chain rule, particularly regarding the treatment of powers and derivatives.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the chain rule and its application to higher-order functions, questioning assumptions about the treatment of constants and powers during differentiation. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the steps taken without arriving at a final solution.

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Homework Statement


y=cot^7(x^5)


Homework Equations


f(x)=f(g(x))


The Attempt at a Solution


u=(x^5)
y'=7(-csc^2)^6(x^5) * 5x^4
 
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Here, you actually have three functions, so you have to apply the chain rule twice.

We have [tex]f(g(h(x))),[/tex] where

[tex]h(x) = x^5[/tex]

[tex]g(x) = cot(x)[/tex]

[tex]f(x) = x^7[/tex]

When applying the chain rule, the approach is from "outside to inside," in that we start from the outer most function and systematically go towards the innermost function. Remember, when doing the chain rule, each step is distinct.

You have: [tex]7(-csc^2)^6...[/tex]

You were correct in taking the derivative of f(x) = x^7 first; however, you need to let everything inside f(x) remain untouched during this step. Meaning, for f(g(h(x)), we leave g(h(x)) untouched.

So what you should have had is: [tex]7cot^6(x^5)...[/tex]

Try to do the rest by yourself.
 
so is it

7cot^6(x^5) * (-csc^2)(x^5) * 5x^4

= -35x^4 * cot^6(x^5) * csc^2 * x^5
 
yep!
 
I still have a question, when you have cot^7 i get leaving it alone to begin with, but then when you take the derivative to get -csc^2, why don't you drop the 7 to get -7(csc^2)^6
 
Because it's

[tex][f( g(x) )]' = f'(g(x)) * g'(x),[/tex]

and not

[tex][f( g(x) )]' = f'(g'(x)).[/tex]
 
In other words, to differentiate [itex]cot^7(x^5)[/itex] you think: "The 'outer' function is a 7th power so first I have [itex]7 cot^6(x^5)[/itex]. Now the 'next' inner function is a cotangent, "cot(x^5)", so I have to multiply that by its derivative: [itex]-csc^2(x^5)[/itex]. Finally, the last function is [itex]x^5[/itex] so that has to be multiplied by its derivative, [itex]5x^4[/itex].

Altogether,
[tex](cot^7(x^5))'= (7 cot^6(x^5))(-csc^2(x^5))(5x^4)= -35x^4cot^6(x^5)csc(x^5)[/tex]
 

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