Find the derivative of the function(chain rule)

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x + g(x)) at x = 0, utilizing the chain rule. Participants are given specific values for the functions f(x) and g(x) and their derivatives at certain points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule and express uncertainty about their attempts. Some participants question the correctness of their formulations and the interpretation of the functions involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of the chain rule, with some participants providing guidance on the proper differentiation approach. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, and while some participants express confusion, others are attempting to clarify their understanding.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying the chain rule and the implications of the values provided for f(x) and g(x). There is a recognition that assumptions about the functions and their derivatives need to be carefully examined.

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Various values of the functions f(x) and g(x) and their derivatives are given in the table below. Find the derivative of f(x+g(x)) at x=0.

at x=0 f(x)=5 f'(x)=2 g(x)=1 g'(x)=3
at x=1 f(x)=7 f'(x)=3 g(x)=-2 g'(x)=-5
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So f'(x)(x+g(x))[(1+g'(x))(f(x)]
2(0+1)(1+3)(5)=40

Is this correct or did I overlook something chain rule always has a way of making me feel I missed something [/B]
 
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Could you detail the chain rule used? Just the base formula.
 
Derivative of the outside multiplied by the derivative of the inside
(f*g)'=(f'*g)+(g'*f)

Where f=f(x)
g=(x+g(x))

I'm getting 40 but not sure if I attempted this correctly
 
youngstudent16 said:
Derivative of the outside multiplied by the derivative of the inside
(f*g)'=(f'*g)+(g'*f)

Where f=f(x)
g=(x+g(x))

I'm getting 40 but not sure if I attempted this correctly
I asked as this did not seem the right chain rule use. If i understood the problem correctly.
One issue is that f(x+g(x)) is not equal to f*(x+g(x)).
f(u) is a function and in your case u=x+g(x).
What chain rule do you need to apply in this case?
 
youngstudent16 said:
So f'(x)(x+g(x))[(1+g'(x))(f(x)]
2(0+1)(1+3)(5)=40
This has been written wrong .

d( f(x+g(x)) )/dx = f'(x+g(x))*(1+g'(x)) .
 
Qwertywerty said:
This has been written wrong .

d( f(x+g(x)) )/dx = f'(x+g(x))*(1+g'(x)) .
Ahhhh. Much better.
And now, just solve :P
 
Qwertywerty said:
This has been written wrong .

d( f(x+g(x)) )/dx = f'(x+g(x))*(1+g'(x)) .

f'(x+g(x))
How do I solve this with the given information? Would it just be the derivative f a constant which makes the whole thing 0?
 
youngstudent16 said:
f'(x+g(x))
How do I solve this with the given information? Would it just be the derivative f a constant which makes the whole thing 0?
Well you don't know anything about the function f, but solving for x=0 does just mean f'(0+g(0)).
 
youngstudent16 said:
Would it just be the derivative f a constant which makes the whole thing 0?
I don't follow you .
 
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Qwertywerty said:
I don't follow you .
I would plug in the value for x and g(0) getting derivative of 1 which is 0. Making the final answer 0.

I think that's right I really confused myself on the chain rule
 
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youngstudent16 said:
I would plug in the value for x and g(0) getting derivative of 1 which is 0. Making the final answer 0.

I think that's right I really confused myself on the chain rule
but f'(1) is not zero by the conditions above.
 
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Sorry about the mixed responses to both of you. I have been switching through screens all morning.
 
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youngstudent16 said:
I would plug in the value for x and g(0) getting derivative of 1 which is 0. Making the final answer 0
You don't find derivative by putting the value before differentiating .
 
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Lok said:
but f'(1) is not zero by the conditions above.

oh wow that x=1 did come in handy I got it finally 12 was correct

thanks for the patience really helped with my confusion
 
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youngstudent16 said:
oh wow that x=1 did come in handy I got it finally 12 was correct

thanks for the patience really helped with the my confusion
My suggestion to you is that you revise differentiation once again .
 
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Anytime there is any time :P.
 

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