Challenging physics books for high school students

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for challenging physics books suitable for high school students, particularly those preparing for university entrance exams like the Oxford Physics Aptitude Test (PAT). Participants explore various resources to enhance knowledge, problem-solving skills, and critical thinking in physics.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in broadening their physics knowledge and solving difficult problems, specifically in mechanics.
  • Another suggests following the Oxford website's reading recommendations, highlighting the value of popular science books and periodicals like New Scientist.
  • Some participants recommend "Thinking Physics" by Epstein as a potentially valuable resource for interview preparation.
  • The Schaum series is mentioned as a useful collection of physics problems with worked answers, particularly "Schaum's Outline of College Physics." However, there is a humorous suggestion to conceal its use from Oxford admissions.
  • One participant recommends introductory physics textbooks such as Tipler's "Physics for Scientists and Engineers," noting that older editions may be more cost-effective without significant loss of content.
  • There is a mention of advanced problem books by authors like Irodov and Krotov for those seeking a higher level of challenge, although it is suggested that this may be unnecessary for the Oxford exam.
  • A question is posed regarding the participant's experience with calculus, indicating its relevance to the study of physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present a variety of recommendations and opinions on the best resources for studying physics, with no clear consensus on a single approach or set of books. Some suggest more advanced materials, while others advocate for foundational texts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness and effectiveness of various textbooks and resources, reflecting personal preferences and experiences. The discussion includes considerations of cost and the relevance of specific editions of textbooks.

Who May Find This Useful

High school students interested in pursuing physics at the university level, particularly those preparing for entrance exams like the Oxford PAT, may find this discussion useful.

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Hello,

I've recently became extremely interested in physics. I was originally hoping to do maths at university but now I'm also considering physics.
I'm looking for physics books that will help me broaden my knowledge and help me tackle difficult physics problems.

I hope to apply to Oxford. Here are some past papers.

http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/PAT-2007-Paper.pdf
http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/PAT-2009-Paper.pdf
(Please look at the physics section - esp longer questions ; not maths section)
To make it short,
could you recommend me some books that will help me
1. broaden my knowledge. (General)
2. solve difficult questions (esp mechanics questions)
3. think critically
Thank you.P.S. is Thinking Physics by Epstein any good?
 
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There's a lot of advice on the Oxford website:

http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/courses/suggested_reading.html

I'd follow that, at least 'on the surface'. They say:

"Popular science books are normally readily available at your local library, as are copies of the New Scientist or other scientific periodicals. Anything that takes your interest will be valuable..."

Therefore, as Epstein has taken your interest it is valuable! I'd read it, it would look OK at interview if they ask what you are reading... Also start reading New Scientist (at least the interesting looking physics bits...)

But the best way to tackle complex physics problems is to ...er... solve complex physics problems! Of course, if they are hard you may not be able to solve them, so you need worked answers. The Schaum series is full of physics problems, some of them complex, with many worked answers.

I found the "Schaum's Outline of Vector Analysis", and similar outlines on many other topics, invaluable throughout University. Maybe start with "Schaum's Outline of College Physics", the problems straddle A level standard and first year UK university, so should be sufficiently challenging but not too difficult...

Hide the fact you are using Schaum from Oxford :) The myth of the "English gentleman" is retained there - and the English gentleman should attain sublime proficiency without trying too hard (or at least he should not be seen to be trying too hard...) Maybe that's why they say, "read any old book from the library or New Scientist". That's the kind of amateurish approach the British gentleman pretend to be taking. But, under the surface, they're all slaving their way through Schaum...

It's always best to focus in on finding books for *exactly* what you need to do, so get hold of books like "Oxbridge Entrance: The Real Rules" by Elfi Pallis and "Do You Think You're Clever?: The Oxbridge Questions" by John Farndon.
 
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From the 2009 test, it seems that what you are looking for is a regular introductory course in Physics - such as the books from Tipler (Physics for Scientists and Engineers). There are other, similar books (Serways, Halliday etc) which you may use. I've used Tipler and I really liked it, but people have different tastes. The problems on the Oxford test aren't really challenging - all they seem to require is a firm grasp on the basics, but they don't go much further than that.

The problem with Tipler, Serways, Halliday and others is that they are really overpriced. I wouldn't buy the newest edition. I have Tipler's 5th edition and I've compared it to the newest editions and they didn't change that much. So you might save some money buying a somewhat older edition without worrying that it will harm your studies.

If you have a lot of free time (say, you have at least one or more years until the tests), and you want to take challenging to the real meaning of that word, you may try the problem books by Irodov, Krotov, Saraaeva, Lim, Rees, Thompson and others. But given the look of the 2009 exam, that would be overkill. I think you can be well prepared to the exam without needing to reach this higher stage.
 
Have you taken calculus yet?
 

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