Challenging question on impulse (or momentum)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the necessary safety factor to prevent a pancake collapse in a tall building when higher floors free-fall onto a lower floor. The key physics concepts involved include impulse and momentum, particularly during an inelastic collision. The user attempts to derive the safety factor using equations related to impulse and momentum, but encounters confusion regarding the time duration of the collision, initially miscalculating it. The calculations suggest a safety factor that does not match the expected answer, indicating a need for clarification and correction in the approach. The thread highlights the complexities of applying physics principles to real-world structural integrity scenarios.
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Homework Statement


Pancake collapse of a tall building. In the section of a tall building shown in Figure (a), the infrastructure of any given floor K must support the weight W of all higher floors. Normally the infrastructure is constructed with a safety factor s so that it can withstand an even greater downward force of sW. If, however, the support columns between K and L suddenly collapse and allow the higher floors to free-fall together onto floor K (Figure (b)), the force in the collision can exceed sW and, after a brief pause, cause K to collapse onto floor J , which collapses on floor I , and so on until the ground is reached. Assume that the floors are separated by d = 4.0 m and have the same mass. Also assume that when the floors above K free-fall onto K , the collision lasts 1.7 ms. Under these simplified conditions, what value must the safety factor s exceed to prevent pancake collapse of the building?
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Homework Equations


I am not sure which laws of physics this question is involved, but I assume it's on conservation of linear momentum. So for complete inelastic collision,
m1*v1i=(m1+m2)vf
Please let me know if there's anything else I should consider

OR the things above could be not relevant at all. The impulse of the falling floors is
J=Favg*∂t --> Favg=J/∂t

The Attempt at a Solution


So if i shall consider the impulse of the falling object, then i have the following
W*s=J/∂t for when the building does not fall
J is simply change in momentum, that is Delta(P)=Pf-Pi=m*vf-m*vi=m*vf
Now 0.5g*t^2=d , g*t=vf
then t=0.9035... and vf=8.8543...m/s
also m=W/9.8
so i got W*s=m*vf/∂t=((W/9.8)*8.8543)/0.00137=659.4948
apparently this is not the correct answer
 
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i_hate_math said:
0.00137
Is it 1.7ms or 1.37ms?
 
Soz.. It's 1.7ms.
 
i_hate_math said:
Soz.. It's 1.7ms.
So what answer does that give you?
 
haruspex said:
So what answer does that give you?
OMG I am diggin a hole for myself
 
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