Change in gauge pressure using viscous flow through a pipe.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the gauge pressure of water flowing through a garden hose, with specific parameters including flow rate, hose length, and diameter. The context is fluid dynamics, particularly focusing on viscous flow through a pipe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate units for velocity and flow rate, questioning whether to convert flow rate from L/s to m³/s. There is also exploration of the relationship between flow rate and average velocity, with some participants attempting to clarify the distinction between these concepts.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on unit conversions and the implications for calculations. There is a recognition of the need to check the Reynolds number to determine flow characteristics, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing discussions about the assumptions regarding laminar versus turbulent flow, which may affect the choice of equations used for calculating pressure drop.

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Homework Statement


Water flows at 0.25 L/s through a 9.0-m-long garden hose 2.0 cm in diameter that is lying flat on the ground. The temperature of the water is 20 ∘C. What is the gauge pressure of the water where it enters the hose?

Side question: does the velocity of the water flow need to be converted to m/s rather than L/s? Upon conversion this becomes m^3/s, and I am not sure if this is suitable units for the velocity.

R = .01m
n = 1.0*10^-3 Pa*s
L = 9m
v= 0.25L/s

Homework Equations


Q = (pi*R^4*p)/8*n*L (p = pressure change; n = coefficient of viscosity, in this case 1.0*10^-3 due to the temperature of the water; L= length of the tube, 9m; R = .01m)
Q = v(avg)*A (A = cross sectional area, of a tube is pi*r^2)
v(avg) = (R^2/8nL)/p.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am unsure of where to begin. The first equation I would think to use is v(avg) = (R^2/8nL)*p so that I could plug this into Q = v(avg)A but the first equation requires p and that is what I am solving the problem for. To start, would it be suitable to use the velocity given and change the units to m^3/s? If I take this route, I get:

v = 0.25L/s
1000L = 1m^3
0.25L/s * 1m^3/1000L = 0.00025 m^3/s = v

Q = v*A; A = pi*R^2
A = pi* 0.01^2; A = 0.000314 m^2
Q = 0.00025m^3/s * 0.000314 m^2; Q = 7.85 * 10^-8

Q = (pi*R^4*p)/8nL
p= [(8nL)*Q]/pi*R^4
p = [(8 * (1.0*10^-3 Pa*s)) * 9m]/pi * 0.01^4
p = (0.072)/3.14*10^-8
p = 2292993 or 2.293 * 10 ^6.

This answer is incorrect and I am weary of the steps I took to get there. Can someone please point me in the correct direction? The first concern I have is converting L/s for velocity. Should I be leaving velocity in terms of L/s or changing them into m^3/s as I have done here? Also, is this velocity able to be used at all? The formula calls for average velocity, but with the formula for average velocity, I am unable to solve because it calls for the use of p, which I do not have.

Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 
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What do you think the units of velocity are?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
What do you think the units of velocity are?

Chet

Chet,

I think that the units of velocity should be m/s. Since it is a fluid and not an object in this case, I am assuming that m^3/s is suitable to use?
 
KAC said:
Chet,

I think that the units of velocity should be m/s. Since it is a fluid and not an object in this case, I am assuming that m^3/s is suitable to use?
Are m3/s the same as m/s?

You're mixing rate of flow with flow velocity, which are two different concepts.

If you had carried the units in the calculation of Q = A * v as you should have, this would also tell you that rate of flow cannot be substituted for flow velocity.
 
So, out of the whole list of the symbols you have shown, which one does the 0.25 l/ s correspond to?
 
Chestermiller said:
So, out of the whole list of the symbols you have shown, which one does the 0.25 l/ s correspond to?

If I convert L to m3, it corresponds to Q, the flow rate of the fluid. So in this case, I don't actually need to solve for Q because this is already given?
After conversions Q = 2.5*10-4; if I plug this into my equation:

p= [(8nL)*Q]/pi*R^4
p=[(8*(1.0*10-3 Pa*s)*9m)*2.5*10-4 m3/s]/pi*0.01m4
p= 1.8*10-5/3.14*10-8
p = 573.2 Pa

Does my form appear to be correct here?
 
KAC said:
If I convert L to m3, it corresponds to Q, the flow rate of the fluid. So in this case, I don't actually need to solve for Q because this is already given?
After conversions Q = 2.5*10-4; if I plug this into my equation:

p= [(8nL)*Q]/pi*R^4
p=[(8*(1.0*10-3 Pa*s)*9m)*2.5*10-4 m3/s]/pi*0.01m4
p= 1.8*10-5/3.14*10-8
p = 573.2 Pa

Does my form appear to be correct here?
I haven't checked your arithmetic, but this now looks right. You should check the reynolds number to confirm that the flow is laminar. If it is turbulent, then a different equation prevails, and pressure drop is larger.

Chet
 

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