Change integration order, what happens to the limits?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in probability theory involving the change of integration order in double integrals. The original poster questions the validity of an equality involving the probability density function (PDF) of a continuous random variable, specifically regarding the limits of integration when switching the order of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the geometric interpretation of the integration limits in the t-x plane and the implications of changing the order of integration. Some express confusion about visualizing the region of integration and how to accurately represent it.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants sharing insights about visualizing the integration region and discussing how to sum small rectangles in different orientations. Some guidance has been provided regarding drawing the region and understanding the integration process, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the boundaries defined by the integration limits and the relationship between the variables x and t. There is mention of using graphical tools to aid in comprehension, but specific details about the constraints of the problem are not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


Homework about a result in probability theory, but I don't understand one of the steps:

Let f(x) be the PDF of a continuous R.V which takes only non-negative values.

Why is the following true?
\int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_xf(t) \mathrm{d}t \mathrm{d}x =
\int^{\infty}_0\int^{t}_0f(t)\mathrm{d}x\mathrm{d}t

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



We can change the order of integration but I only come up with:
\int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_xf(t)\mathrm {d}t\mathrm {d}x = \int^{\infty}_x\int^{\infty}_of(t)\mathrm {d}x\mathrm {d}t =
 
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infk said:

Homework Statement


Homework about a result in probability theory, but I don't understand one of the steps:

Let f(x) be the PDF of a continuous R.V which takes only non-negative values.

Why is the following true?
\int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_xf(t) \mathrm{d}t \mathrm{d}x =
\int^{\infty}_0\int^{t}_0f(t)\mathrm{d}x\mathrm{d}t

Homework Equations


N/A


The Attempt at a Solution



We can change the order of integration but I only come up with:
\int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_xf(t)\mathrm {d}t\mathrm {d}x = \int^{\infty}_x\int^{\infty}_of(t)\mathrm {d}x\mathrm {d}t =

You should first draw the region of integration in the t-x plane, then consider how the double integral sums up small rectangles using dtdx, then consider how the double integral would sum them up using dxdt.
 
jackmell said:
You should first draw the region of integration in the t-x plane, then consider how the double integral sums up small rectangles using dtdx, then consider how the double integral would sum them up using dxdt.

Yes, I tried doing that but I didn't have an "aha"-moment..
So we have that t ranges from x to \infty and x from 0 to \infty.. How do you draw that? :confused:
 
The border line of the integration domain is x=t. How can you cover the shaded area if you integrate with respect to t first and when you integrate with respect to x first?

ehild
 

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Except from the attached figure above, \int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_xf(t) \mathrm{d}t \mathrm{d}x gives the area of required region between the x-axis and the line x=t.
 
sharks said:
Except from the attached figure above, \int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_xf(t) \mathrm{d}t \mathrm{d}x gives the area of required region between the x-axis and the line x=t.
The area is \int^{\infty}_0\int^{\infty}_x \mathrm{d}t \mathrm{d}x:smile:

ehild
 
infk said:
Yes, I tried doing that but I didn't have an "aha"-moment..
So we have that t ranges from x to \infty and x from 0 to \infty.. How do you draw that? :confused:

Mathematica dude. First understand that the integrals are summing up small rectangles in the t-x plane and we can arrange these rectangles going up and down or side to side. Now consider the integral:

\int_0^5 \int_x^5 dt dx

and read that as "dt as t goes from t=x to t=5 and then dx as x goes from x=0 to x=5. Now look at my wonderful plot I did in Mathematica, the region we're integrating in light purple, and first the red rectangle illustrating the integration plan above. That rectangle is going from t=x to t=5. Now keep building rectangles above and below it. Then the sum of the rectangles is going from the range of x=0 to x=5 as the integral above.

Now consider summing rectangles in the vertical direction and consider the blue rectangle and the integral representing this integration plan as:

\int_0^5 \int_0^t dx dt

Again, read that as "dx as x goes from x=0 to x=t, and then dt as t goes from t=0 to t=5. Look again at the blue rectangle. It's height is going from x=0 to x=t and if we sum the set along the entire region, that set is going from t=0 to t=5.

Here's the code in case you want to play with it:

Code:
myrec1 = Graphics[{Red, Opacity[0.5], 
     Rectangle[{1, 0.8}, {5, 1.2}]}]; 
myrec2 = Graphics[{Blue, Opacity[0.5], 
    Rectangle[{2.8, 0}, {3.2, 3}]}]
Show[{Plot[y = x, {x, 0, 5}, Filling -> Bottom], 
   myrec1, myrec2}, AxesLabel -> 
   {Style["x", 30], Style["t", 30]}]
 

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