Changing equilibrium equations from cartesian to polar

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around transforming equilibrium equations from Cartesian to polar coordinates in the context of stress analysis. The original poster seeks guidance on applying coordinate transformations to specific equations involving stress components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule for transforming derivatives and express confusion regarding the correct formulation of stress components in polar coordinates. There are attempts to clarify the relationships between Cartesian and polar stress components.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights on the application of the chain rule and the need for careful consideration of stress definitions. There is ongoing exploration of the transformation process, with various interpretations of the equations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of understanding how stress components relate to derivatives and the implications of these transformations. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the transition from Cartesian to polar coordinates, particularly in the context of stress analysis.

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Homework Statement


Transform the equilibrium equations from cartesian to polar coordinates using x = rcos(theta) and y = rsin(theta):

\frac{\partial\sigma_{xx}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_{xy}}{\partial{y}} = 0

\frac{\partial\sigma_{yx}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_{yy}}{\partial{y}} = 0The answer is given as:

\frac{\partial\sigma_{r}}{\partial{r}} + \frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial\sigma_{r\theta}}{\partial{\theta}} + \frac{\sigma_{r} - \sigma_{\theta}}{r} = 0\frac{\partial\sigma_{r\theta}}{\partial{r}} + \frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial\sigma_{\theta}}{\partial{\theta}} + \frac{2\sigma_{r\theta}}{r} = 0

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I've no idea how to proceed. I know how to obtain the result using a free body diagram (which is how we're supposed to solve the problem) but am curious as to how to do it by applying the transformations.

We've covered changing coordinates for integrals in vector calculus but never anything like the above. If anybody can help get me started or point me to some material that'd help me get my head around it, it'd be very much appreciated.

Not sure in which section to post it where to post it but this board seemed as good as any.
 
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You basically just need to apply the chain rule several times. For example,

\frac{\partial\sigma}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial\sigma}{\partial r}\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial\sigma}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}=\sigma_r \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} +\sigma_{\theta} \frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}
 
OK. I've tried implementing it but I'm confused as to how to get the final subscripts. Where did the last term in the first answer equation come from?

What I've attempted:

\frac{dr}{dx} = \frac{1}{cos(\theta)}

\frac{d\theta}{dx} = \frac{-1}{rsin(\theta)}

\frac{dr}{dy} = \frac{1}{sin(\theta)}

\frac{d\theta}{dxy} = \frac{1}{rcos(\theta)}

<br /> \frac{\partial\sigma_{xx}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_{xy}}{\partial{y}} = \frac{\partial\sigma_r}{\partial{r}}\frac{\partial{r}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_\theta}{\partial\theta}\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_r_\theta}{\partial{r}}\frac{\partial{r}}{\partial{y}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_r_\theta}{\partial\theta}\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial{y}}<br />

by the chain rule. Have I expanded the second term correctly? The fact that stress (sigma) is a function of both x and y has me confused.

Anyhow, plugging in what I have:

<br /> \frac{\partial\sigma_{xx}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_{xy}}{\partial{y}} = \frac{\partial\sigma_r}{\partial{r}}\frac{1}{cos(\theta)} + \frac{\partial\sigma_\theta}{\partial\theta}\frac{-1}{rsin(\theta)} + \frac{\partial\sigma_r_\theta}{\partial{r}}\frac{1}{sin(\theta)} + \frac{\partial\sigma_r_\theta}{\partial\theta}\frac{1}{rcos(\theta)}<br />

I can see how I'll get the first term out of the above as 1/cos(theta) will equal 1 by the small angle approximation but I think I must have done a mistake as I can't see how I'll get either of the other two terms.

Again, any help greatly appreciated.
 
rafehi said:
<br /> \frac{\partial\sigma_{xx}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_{xy}}{\partial{y}} = \frac{\partial\sigma_r}{\partial{r}}\frac{\partial{r}}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_\theta}{\partial\theta}\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial{x}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_r_\theta}{\partial{r}}\frac{\partial{r}}{\partial{y}} + \frac{\partial\sigma_r_\theta}{\partial\theta}\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial{y}}<br />

by the chain rule. Have I expanded the second term correctly? The fact that stress (sigma) is a function of both x and y has me confused.

That doesn't look right at all. Why don't you start by showing me your calculation for \sigma_{xx}\equiv\frac{\partial^2 \sigma}{\partial x^2} first.
 
How is sigmaxx equivalent to the d2sigma/dx2 when sigmaxx is just the normal stress acting in the normal direction?

It isn't the second partial derivative of sigma. Should've made that clear in the OP - I apologise. Likewise, sigmaxy is the shear stress pointing in the x direction acting in the y - z plane.

Again, I wasn't sure if this was in the appropiate section...
 
rafehi said:
How is sigmaxx equivalent to the d2sigma/dx2 when sigmaxx is just the normal stress acting in the normal direction?

It isn't the second partial derivative of sigma. Should've made that clear in the OP - I apologise. Likewise, sigmaxy is the shear stress pointing in the x direction acting in the y - z plane.

Again, I wasn't sure if this was in the appropiate section...

Okay, I see now.

In that case, the first thing you will want to do is to express \{\sigma_{xx},\sigma_{xy},\sigma_{yx},\sigma_{yy}\} in terms of \{\sigma_{rr},\sigma_{r\theta},\sigma_{\theta r},\sigma_{\theta\theta}\}...
 

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