Metric tensor and gradient in spherical polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the metric tensor components in spherical polar coordinates and the evaluation of the gradient of a function in this coordinate system. Participants are exploring the relationships between Cartesian and spherical coordinates, specifically focusing on the metric tensor and its components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to compute various components of the metric tensor, such as ##g_{r\theta}##, ##g_{r\phi}##, and ##g_{\theta\phi}##, and are verifying orthogonality and normalization of the basis vectors. Questions arise regarding the clarity of notation and the definition of the function ##f## in the context of the gradient computation.

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of earlier calculations, while others are seeking clarification on the definition of the function ##f## and its implications for the gradient. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between covariant and contravariant vectors in the context of the metric tensor.

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Participants are discussing the implications of the definitions and properties of the metric tensor and gradient in a (pseudo)-Riemannian manifold, with attention to the notation used in expressing these concepts.

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Homework Statement



Let ##x##, ##y##, and ##z## be the usual cartesian coordinates in ##\mathbb{R}^{3}## and let ##u^{1} = r##, ##u^{2} = \theta## (colatitude), and ##u^{3} = \phi## be spherical coordinates.

  1. Compute the metric tensor components for the spherical coordinates ##g_{r\theta}:=g_{12}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\big\rangle\ \text{etc.}##
  2. Compute the coefficients ##(\nabla\ f)^{j}## in ##\nabla\ f = (\nabla\ f)^{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}+(\nabla\ f)^{\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}+(\nabla\ f)^{\phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}##.
  3. Verify that ##\frac{\partial}{\partial r}##, ##\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}##, and ##\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}## are orthogonal, but that not all are unit vectors. Define the unit vectors ##{\bf{e}}'_{j}=\frac{(\partial / \partial u^{j})}{||\partial / \partial u^{j}||}## and write ##\nabla\ f## in terms of this orthonormal set ##\nabla\ f = (\nabla\ f)'^{r}{\bf{e}}'_{r}+(\nabla\ f)'^{\theta}{\bf{e}}'_{\theta}+(\nabla\ f)'^{\phi}{\bf{e}}'_{\phi}##.

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## g_{r\theta}:=g_{12}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\big\rangle\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle\\
= \frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\\
=(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta)(\text{cos}\ \theta)+(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta)(\text{sin}\ \phi)+(\text{cos}\ \theta)(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta)\\
=0##

Am I correct so far?
 
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Am I correct so far?
Yes
 
Ok, so now let me do the remaining calculations in parts 1 and 2.

## g_{r\phi}:=g_{13}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\big\rangle\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle\\
= \frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\\
=(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)+(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)(r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)+(\text{cos}\ \theta)(0)\\
=0
##

##
g_{\theta\phi}:=g_{23}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\big\rangle\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle\\
= \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\\
=(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\text{sin}\ \phi)+(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)(r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)+(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta)(0)\\
=0
##

2

## ({\nabla f })^{r}=g_{rr}=:=g_{11}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial r}\big\rangle\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle\\
= \frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\\
=(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)^{2}+(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)^{2}+(\text{cos}\ \theta)^{2}\\
=1
##
## ({\nabla f })^{\theta}=g_{\theta\theta}=:=g_{22}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\big\rangle\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle\\
= \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\\
=(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)^{2}+(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)^{2}+(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta)^{2}\\
=r^{2}
##
## ({\nabla f })^{\phi}=g_{\phi\phi}=:=g_{22}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\big\rangle\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle\\
= \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\\
=(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)^{2}+(r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)^{2}+(0)^{2}\\
=r^{2}\text{sin}^{2}\theta
##

Are they correct?
 
What is ##f##? Also, normally, the gradient is a covariant vector. Your notation is therefore not very clear to me.
 
I mention the definition below:

If ##M^{n}## is a (psuedo)-Riemannian manifold and ##f## is a differentiable function, the gradient vector ##\nabla f## is the contravariant vector associated to the covector ##df## such that ##df({\bf{w}})=\langle\nabla f, {\bf{w}}\rangle## for some vector ##\bf{w}##.

Now, ##\displaystyle{df = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x^{j}}dx^{j}}## and ##\nabla f## is the contravariant vector associated to the covector ##df## so that ##\displaystyle{(\nabla f)^{i} = g^{ij}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x^{j}}}##.
 
You still have not defined what ##f## is. Based on your problem statement, it is not necessarily the coordinate functions
 
Thanks for pointing that out. I now understand my mistake in my proposed solution.

I think the function ##f## has to be kept untouched. Using the definition ##\displaystyle{(\nabla f)^{i} = g^{ij}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x^{j}}}##,

## ({\nabla f})^{r}=g^{rr}\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}=(g_{rr})^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial r}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial r}\big\rangle ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\\
= (\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}\frac{\partial x}{\partial r}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}\frac{\partial y}{\partial r}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}\frac{\partial z}{\partial r}) ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\\
=[(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)^{2}+(\text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)^{2}+(\text{cos}\ \theta)^{2}] ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\\
=\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}
##

## ({\nabla f })^{\theta}=g^{\theta\theta}=(g_{\theta\theta}) ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\big\rangle ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\\
= (\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}) ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\\
=[(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)^{2}+(r\ \text{cos}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)^{2}+(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta)^{2}] ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\\
=\frac{1}{r^{2}}\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}
##
## ({\nabla f })^{\phi}=g^{\phi\phi}=(g_{\phi\phi}) ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial\phi}=\big\langle\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\ ,\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\big\rangle ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial\phi}\\
= \big\langle\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\ ,\ \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\big\rangle ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial\phi}\\
= (\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}\frac{\partial z}{\partial \phi}) ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial\phi}\\
=[(-r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{sin}\ \phi)^{2}+(r\ \text{sin}\ \theta\ \text{cos}\ \phi)^{2}+(0)^{2}] ^{-1}\frac{\partial f}{\partial\phi}\\
=\frac{1}{r^{2}\text{sin}^{2}\theta}\frac{\partial f}{\partial\phi}##
 
Note that it is not always true that ##g^{ij} = (g_{ij})^{-1}##. This is only true if ##\partial_r## is orthogonal to the other basis vectors. However, this is the case here.
 

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