Characteristic Impedance for a (∏) two port network

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the characteristic impedance (Z0) of a (∏) two-port network, focusing on the Z parameters and their implications. Participants explore various methods and calculations related to this topic.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed calculation of Z parameters, questioning their correctness and seeking confirmation.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the application of the term 'characteristic impedance' to Z parameter networks, suggesting it is more relevant to transmission lines.
  • A third participant notes that in a symmetrical network, Z12 should equal Z21, questioning the necessity of calculating Z parameters if the goal is solely to find the characteristic impedance.
  • A fourth participant provides a formula for calculating Z0 and presents their computed value, asking for confirmation of its correctness.
  • A later reply acknowledges the final answer provided but critiques the clarity of the arithmetic procedures used to arrive at it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the approach to calculating the characteristic impedance, with multiple competing views on the relevance of Z parameters and the correctness of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and applications of characteristic impedance in the context of Z parameter networks, as well as the clarity of the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the Characteristic Impedance (Z0) of the two port network?


Homework Equations



When port 2 open-circuit, I2 = 0

So, Z11 = V1 / I1

= 40(60) / 100 = 24 Ω

When I2 = 0, thus V2

V2 = 40 / 20+40 V1 = 0.666 V1

Z21 = V2 / I1

= 0.666 V1 / (V1 / 40-20)

= 0.666 V1 / (V1/20) = 0.666 V1 : V1/20

= 0.666 V1 x 20/v1

= 0.666 V1 x 20 / V1

= 13.32 V1 / V1

= 13.32 Ω

Now, when I1 = 0, so:

Z22 = V2 / I2

= 40(60) / 100

= 2400 / 100

= 24 Ω

When port 2 open circuit, I1 - 0, so:

V1 = 40 / (20+40) V2

= 40 / 60 V2

= 0.666 V2

I2 = V2 / 24

Z12 = V1 / I2

= 0.666 V2 / (V2 / 24)

= 0.666 V2 : (V2 / 24)

= 0.666 V2 (24/ V2)

= 15.984 Ω

AM I CORRECT?

Can someone please help?
 

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Write the equations defining Z parameters, then set i2 = 0.

I have never heard the term 'characteristic impedance' apply to z parameter networks. It's used in transmission lines.
 
When your network is symmetrical, Z12 has to equal Z21.

Why are you going to all the trouble of calculating the Z parameters, and the voltage transfer ratios, when (apparently) all you want is the characteristic impedance?

And, if you want the characteristic impedance, why did you stop your calculations before you calculated it?
 
Z0 = √ R1 x R2² / R1 + (2 x R2)

Z0 = √ 20 x (40)² / 20 + (2 x 40)

Z0 = √ 20 x 1600 / 20 + 80

Z0 = √ 32000 / 100

Z0 = √ 320

Z0 = 17.8885

Z0 = 17.88 Ω

Can someone please confirm that I am correct? Much appreciated!
 
Your final answer is correct, but your arithmetic procedures leading to it are not unambiguous.
 

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