Charge q located a large distance from a neutral atom

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The problem involves a point charge q located at a significant distance from a neutral atom characterized by its polarisability α. The objective is to determine the force of attraction between the charge and the atom, with specific attention to the implications of the distance involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derived expression for the force and question the validity of the \(\frac{1}{r^{5}}\) dependence. There is also inquiry into the physical significance of the term "large distance" in relation to the neutral atom.

Discussion Status

Some participants have expressed agreement with the initial findings and have noted the necessity of approximations due to the large distance. The discussion is exploring various force relationships between monopoles and dipoles, indicating a productive examination of the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the effective distance of the dipole moment and the assumption that r is significantly larger than the distance between dipole charges, which may influence the calculations and interpretations being discussed.

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Homework Statement



A point charge q is situated a large distance r from a neutral atom of polarisability α. Find the force of attraction between them.

Homework Equations


[itex]\vec{E}_{mono}(r)=\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0r^2}\hat{r}[/itex]

[itex]\vec{E}_{dip}(r,\theta)=\frac{p}{4\pi\epsilon_0r^3}(2\cos\theta\hat{r}+ \sin\theta\hat{\theta})[/itex]

[itex]\vec{p}=\alpha\vec{E}[/itex]

[itex]\vec{F}=q\vec{E}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]F=\frac{-2\alpha q^{2}}{\left(4\pi\epsilon_{0}\right)^{2}r^{5}}[/itex] attractive force
My questions are that I wonder about the [itex]\frac{1}{r^{5}}[/itex], is't acceptable? and what is physically meaning of (large distance r from a neutral atom)
 
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I agree with that answer.
To get it, you had to make an approximation with regard to distances, right? That is the reason you are told r is large. I.e. it is large compared with the effective distance (whatever that means) of the dipole moment.
 
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  • Force between two monopoles ~ 1/r2
  • Force between a monopole and a dipole ~ 1/r3
  • Force between a monopole and an induced dipole (the one you calculated) ~ 1/r5
  • Force between two dipoles ~ 1/r4
  • Force between dipole and induced dipole ~ 1/r7
  • Force between two induced dipoles (each one induces the other) ~ I'm leaving that as an exercise. Can you figure it out?
 
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I agree with this also. Your E_r expression implicitly assumes r >> distance between dipole charges.

I'm attaching a good set of notes for this topic.
 

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