Charging capacitor by another capacitor

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter bgq
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Capacitor Charging
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy loss observed when a charged capacitor discharges into an empty capacitor until both reach the same potential difference. Participants explore the interpretation of this energy loss, considering various mechanisms such as dissipation in connecting wires and transformation into electromagnetic waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that energy loss occurs during the discharge process, questioning how to interpret this loss.
  • Another participant suggests that both energy dissipation in the wires and transformation into electromagnetic waves occur, but the dominant mechanism depends on system specifics like resistance and inductance.
  • A third participant provides a mathematical perspective, stating that energy loss can be quantified as I²R, indicating that losses through resistive heating are significant.
  • This participant also references the exponential nature of charging and discharging in capacitors, emphasizing that energy lost can be calculated through integration of current over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary mechanism of energy loss, with some emphasizing resistive heating while others consider electromagnetic wave generation. No consensus is reached on which mechanism is more significant.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the circuit's resistance and inductance, which may influence the energy loss mechanisms. The mathematical derivation provided relies on specific conditions that may not apply universally.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying capacitor behavior, energy transfer in electrical circuits, or the principles of electromagnetism.

bgq
Messages
162
Reaction score
0
Hi,

Consider a charged capacitor connected to a an empty capacitor. The charged capacitor starts to discharge while the empty capacitor starts charging. The whole process finishes when the two capacitors maintain the same potential difference. The problem is that when calculating the energies at the beginning and at the end, we find that they are different. Some books says that the lost energy is dissipated in the connecting wires, yet others say that the energy is transformed into electromagnetic waves.

How can we interpret the loss of the electric energy in this case?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Both types of energy transfer will take place, but which one dominates will depend on the details of the system such as the resistance and inductance of the wires used to join the capacitors.
 
hi bgq! :smile:

the energy loss equals I2R, so it's certainly the loss through the resistor

from the pf library on capacitor


Inverse exponential rate of charging:

A capacitor does not charge or discharge instantly.

When a steady voltage V_1 is first applied, through a circuit of resistance R, to a capacitor across which there is already a voltage V_0, both the charging current I in the circuit and the voltage difference V_1\,-\,V change exponentially, with a parameter -1/CR:

I(t) = \frac{V_1\,-\,V_0}{R}\,e^{-\frac{1}{CR}\,t}

V_1\ -\ V(t) = (V_1\,-\,V_0)\,e^{-\frac{1}{CR}\,t}

So the current becomes effectively zero, and the voltage across the capacitor becomes effectively V_1, after a time proportional to CR.

Energy loss:

Energy lost (to heat in the resistor):

\int\,I^2(t)\,R\,dt\ =\ \frac{1}{2}\,C (V_1\,-\,V_0)^2
 
Thank you very much
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 103 ·
4
Replies
103
Views
9K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 50 ·
2
Replies
50
Views
15K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K