Circuit problem: Figuring out Voltage Drops

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The discussion revolves around understanding voltage drops in a circuit, specifically focusing on the role of a voltmeter and its placement between two points in the circuit. Participants explore the implications of measuring potential difference and the relationship between current, resistance, and voltage.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants question why a voltmeter measures only the voltage drop between its two leads and discuss the implications of its placement in the circuit. There are inquiries about the relationship between the voltmeter's position and the potential difference it measures, as well as the nature of voltmeters in practical scenarios.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how the location of measurement points affects the potential difference. Some participants provide insights into the function of voltmeters and their high resistance characteristics, while others express uncertainty about the concepts being discussed.

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Participants note their varying levels of familiarity with voltmeters and circuit concepts, which may influence their understanding of the discussion. There are references to specific circuit components and configurations, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these details.

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Homework Equations


V = IR


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Why does the voltmeter measure only the voltage drop in V3?

Is it because the Voltmeter is specifically placed between points a and b?
I originally thought that the Voltmeter would measure the voltage drop up to where it is located.
 

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What do you mean by "up to where it is located"?

The voltmeter has two leads (connection points); it can only tell you the potential difference that exists between those two leads. Anything else would be magic :smile:
 
Starting from the positive end of the battery and ending where the voltmeter is located. What are leads and where are they located? Why does the voltmeter only show the pot. diff. between these points too?
 
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Starting from the positive end of the battery and ending where the voltmeter is located. What are leads and where are they located? Why does the voltmeter only show the pot. diff. between these points too?

Have you ever seen a voltmeter in real life? It has two flexible wires (usually one is red and the other black) that end in rigid "test probes". The user touches the ends of the probes to the circuit at the points, between which, he wishes to determine the potential difference.

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In your circuit the voltmeter leads are connected to points a and b, so it will measure the potential difference between points a and b.
 

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Oh okay. And no, I am not too familiar with voltmeters.

So the voltmeter isn't really part of the circuit? The current first passes through r (50 Ohms) from the positive terminal of the battery and then splits at J. It meets back at the point right next to R3. It then passes through R3, past b, and goes back to the negative terminal of the battery.

The current that passes through b is 6 A and that current also passes through R3. So V = IR = 6*150 = 900 V.
 
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How does the location of point a affect the potential difference measured by the voltmeter?
If a was located right after r (the battery's internal resistance) would the potential difference be changed in any way?

Is this correct?

V = IR
Total Resistance that is between a and b is 150 + (1/600 + 1/300) ^ -1 = 350 Ohms
V = 6 * 350 = 2100, which is the energy lost between a charge from point a to point b?
 
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joej24 said:
Oh okay. And no, I am not too familiar with voltmeters.

So the voltmeter isn't really part of the circuit? The current first passes through r (50 Ohms) from the positive terminal of the battery and then splits at J. It meets back at the point right next to R3. It then passes through R3, past b, and goes back to the negative terminal of the battery.

The current that passes through b is 6 A and that current also passes through R3. So V = IR = 6*150 = 900 V.

Looks good.

Voltmeters are usually designed to present a very high resistance to the circuit under test (they "look like" a very high resistance value) so that they don't disturb the operation of the circuit.
 
joej24 said:
How does the location of point a affect the potential difference measured by the voltmeter?
If a was located right after r (the battery's internal resistance) would the potential difference be changed in any way?

Yes, of course it would change; you would be measuring the potential from point b to a location different from a in the circuit.
Is this correct?

V = IR
Total Resistance that is between a and b is 150 + (1/600 + 1/300) ^ -1 = 350 Ohms
V = 6 * 350 = 2100, which is the energy lost between a charge from point a to point b?

Yes, that's good.
 

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