Circuits Question Node Voltage Method

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuits problem involving the node voltage method to find power and node voltages in a circuit. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and results, particularly in relation to the power calculations and comparisons with an answer key that uses a different method.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive node voltages and power using the node voltage method, sharing their equations and simplifications. They express doubt about their results compared to an answer key that uses mesh current analysis. Some participants question the accuracy of coefficients in the equations, particularly for V4, and suggest rechecking them.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen some productive exchanges, with participants offering guidance on checking specific coefficients and acknowledging corrections made by the original poster. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final results, as some participants have resolved their issues independently.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. The original poster's calculations are based on their interpretation of the circuit, and there is an acknowledgment of potential round-off errors in their results.

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Homework Statement



I'm having problems finding the power.

I should my work to get the node voltages. Apparently they are correct. I showed how I got to those answers as well just in case they were wrong but I don't think they are.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/8812/capturebu.png

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I see from the reference node, which is at a potential of zero, that node 1 is 8 volts higher so...

[itex]V_{1} = 8[/itex]

I then write the equations for the rest of the nodes

[itex]\frac{V_{2} - 8}{3} + \frac{V_{2} - 3 - V_{4}}{4} + \frac{V_{2} - V_{3}}{2} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{V_{3} - V_{2}}{2} + \frac{V_{3}}{1} + \frac{v_{3} - 6 - V{4}}{3} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{V_{4} + 3 - V(2)}{4} + \frac{V_{4} + 6 - V{3}}{3} + \frac{V_{4} - V{5}}{2} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{V_{5} - V{4}}{2} + 2 - 3 = 0[/itex]

I than simplify these equations

[itex](\frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{2})V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} = -( -\frac{8}{3} - \frac{3}{4})[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + (\frac{1}{2} + 1 + \frac{1}{3})V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} = -(-\frac{6}{3})[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + (\frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{2})V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(\frac{3}{4} + \frac{6}{3})[/itex]
[itex]0V_{2} + 0V_{3} - \frac{1}{2}V_{4} + \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(2-3)[/itex]

I than simplify these equations further

[itex]\frac{13}{12}V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = \frac{41}{12}[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + \frac{11}{6}V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = 2[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + \frac{13}{12}V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -\frac{11}{4}[/itex]
[itex]0V_{2} + 0V_{3} - \frac{1}{2}V_{4} + \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = 1[/itex]

I than define matrix A to be

[itex]\frac{13}{12} -\frac{1}{2} -\frac{1}{4} 0[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{2} \frac{11}{6} -\frac{1}{3} 0[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{4} -\frac{1}{3} \frac{13}{12} -\frac{1}{2}[/itex]
[itex]0 0 -\frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{2}[/itex]

I than define matrix B to be

[itex]\frac{41}{12}[/itex]
[itex]2[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{11}{4}[/itex]
[itex]1[/itex]

I than do

[itex]C = A^{-1}B[/itex]
C = 4.22
2.26
.1
2.1

So

[itex]V_{1} = 8[/itex]
[itex]V_{2} = 4.22[/itex]
[itex]V_{3} = 2.26[/itex]
[itex]V_{4} = .1[/itex]
[itex]V_{5} = 2.1[/itex]

Then

[itex]I_{x} = \frac{V{2} - V_{1}}{3} = \frac{4.22 - 8}{3} = -1.26[/itex]
[itex]I_{y} = \frac{V_{3}}{1} = 2.26[/itex]
[itex]I_{z} = \frac{V_{4} - V_{5}}{2} = \frac{.1-2.1}{2} = -1[/itex]

The answer key says

[itex]I_{x} = -1.26[/itex]
[itex]I_{y} = 2.26[/itex]
[itex]I_{z} = -1[/itex]


So I guess I'm close within round off error

However for

[itex]P_{6V} = IV = \frac{V_{3}-V_{4}}{3}6 = \frac{2.26 - .1 - 6}{3}6 = -7.68[/itex]

The answer key says

[itex]P_{6V} = (-1.28)(6) = -7.68[/itex]

The answer key used the mesh current method. I don't like the mesh current method and try to use the node voltage method always. Either way I should still get the same answer which I don't. I'm not exactly sure why I don't. Thanks for any help.
 
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Homework Statement



I'm having problems finding the power.

I should my work to get the node voltages. Apparently they are correct. I showed how I got to those answers as well just in case they were wrong but I don't think they are.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/8812/capturebu.png

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I see from the reference node, which is at a potential of zero, that node 1 is 8 volts higher so...

[itex]V_{1} = 8[/itex]

I then write the equations for the rest of the nodes

[itex]\frac{V_{2} - 8}{3} + \frac{V_{2} - 3 - V_{4}}{4} + \frac{V_{2} - V_{3}}{2} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{V_{3} - V_{2}}{2} + \frac{V_{3}}{1} + \frac{v_{3} - 6 - V{4}}{3} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{V_{4} + 3 - V(2)}{4} + \frac{V_{4} + 6 - V{3}}{3} + \frac{V_{4} - V{5}}{2} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{V_{5} - V{4}}{2} + 2 - 3 = 0[/itex]

I than simplify these equations

[itex](\frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{2})V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} = -( -\frac{8}{3} - \frac{3}{4})[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + (\frac{1}{2} + 1 + \frac{1}{3})V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} = -(-\frac{6}{3})[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + (\frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{2})V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(\frac{3}{4} + \frac{6}{3})[/itex]
[itex]0V_{2} + 0V_{3} - \frac{1}{2}V_{4} + \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -(2-3)[/itex]

I than simplify these equations further

[itex]\frac{13}{12}V_{2} - \frac{1}{2}V_{3} - \frac{1}{4}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = \frac{41}{12}[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{2}V_{2} + \frac{11}{6}V_{3} - \frac{1}{3}V_{4} + 0V_{5} = 2[/itex]
[itex]-\frac{1}{4}V_{2} - \frac{1}{3}V_{3} + \frac{13}{4}V_{4} - \frac{1}{2}V_{5} = -\frac{11}{4}[/itex]
Recheck the coefficient for V4 in the above equation. Everything else looks okay to this point.
 
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Never mind I figured it out
 
Oh. For the final answer for the power. I forgot to subtract 6

((2.236-6-.016)/3)6 = -7.56

let me check the coeffecent for V4
 
ok i got it thanks
 

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