Classical vs quantum infinite potential well

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The discussion focuses on calculating uncertainties in position and momentum for a particle in an infinite potential well, as outlined in Merzbacher's textbook. Participants confirm that the standard deviation of position, , is indeed a/2, where 'a' is the width of the well. The conversation emphasizes the application of the continuous uniform distribution to derive and for classical particles, aligning with the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The insights gained are crucial for understanding quantum mechanics and classical analogs in particle behavior.

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Homework Statement


This is a problem from Merzbacher.

Assuming a particle to be in one of the stationary states of an infinitely high one-dimensional box, calculate the uncertainties in position and momentum, and show that they agree with the Heisenberg uncertainty relation. Also show that in the limit of very large quantum numbers the uncertainty in $x$ equals the root-mean-square deviation of the position of a particle moving in the enclosure classically with the same energy.


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For most of the grunt work please see the attached pdf that I texed.

The first part of this question is quite straightforward and poses no issues, however I'm having problems when it comes to the last part. Specifically I don't know how to find the standard deviation (<x> and <x^2>). Isn't <x> just a/2 (the middle of the well)? And if this is the case how could I find this quantitatively? My guess would be to start with v=x/T, where T is the period and x=2a, but not terribly sure where to go from here. Thoughts??

Thanks!
 
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You could argue that classically the particle is equally likely to be found anywhere in the well and calculate <x> and <x2> using a uniform distribution, or you could write the particle's position as a function of time and find the time average of x and x2 over one period.
 
vela said:
You could argue that classically the particle is equally likely to be found anywhere in the well and calculate <x> and <x2> using a uniform distribution, or you could write the particle's position as a function of time and find the time average of x and x2 over one period.

yes the continuous uniform distribution seems to work.. don't know why i didn't see that. thanks so much!
 

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