Classifying Extrema and Saddle Points of Multivariable Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding and classifying relative extrema and saddle points of the multivariable function f(x, y) = xy - x^3 - y^2. Participants are exploring the conditions under which these points can be identified and classified.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the determinant D and its implications for classification, particularly when D < 0 and fxx = 0. There is uncertainty about the significance of these conditions in determining whether a point is a saddle point.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that a saddle point can be identified when D < 0, regardless of the value of fxx. Others express confusion about the relationship between these conditions and seek clarification on the classification process.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of needing to find locations where both first partial derivatives are zero, indicating a requirement for critical points in the analysis. The discussion also references a specific course, suggesting a shared educational context among participants.

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Homework Statement



Find and classify all relative extrema and saddle points of the function
f(x; y) = xy - x^3 - y^2.

Homework Equations



D = fxx *fyy -fxy^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I got D < 0 where D = -1 and fxx = 0, when x=0 and y=0. However I am unsure as to the conclusion I should arrive at when D < 0 but fxx = 0. I'm thinking that this is a saddle point?

Thanks for the help in advance,
Dough
 
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Doug_West said:

Homework Statement



Find and classify all relative extrema and saddle points of the function
f(x; y) = xy - x^3 - y^2.

Homework Equations



D = fxx *fyy -fxy^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I got D < 0 where D = -1 and fxx = 0, when x=0 and y=0. However I am unsure as to the conclusion I should arrive at when D < 0 but fxx = 0. I'm thinking that this is a saddle point?

Thanks for the help in advance,
Dough
You need to find locations where both of the 1st partial derivatives are zero.
 
yep those two pts are

x=0, y=0
and
x=1/6 y=1/12
 
evaluating pt 0,0 I get D<0 where D= -1 and fxx(0,0) = 0, so then this is a saddle point. However is it a saddle point because D<0 or because fxx = 0?
 
guess ur doing mab127 too

when d < 0 its a saddle point doesn't matter what fxx is
 
haha yep :D, thanks for the help.
 

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