Clearing fractions and setting up for the quadratic formula?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of clearing fractions in a specific algebraic equation and setting it up for the quadratic formula. Participants explore methods for manipulating the equation, assumptions about variable values, and the validity of the quadratic formula in solving equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest multiplying both sides of the equation by the denominators to clear fractions, while others provide different methods, such as finding the least common denominator (LCD).
  • There is a discussion about the term "denumerator," with some participants questioning its validity and others using it to describe the denominator of a fraction.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether certain steps in the manipulation of the equation are necessary or helpful, leading to varied approaches in clearing fractions.
  • Some participants propose that the quadratic formula can solve all quadratic equations, while others question this assertion.
  • There are exchanges about specific algebraic manipulations, including canceling terms and the implications of doing so in the context of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to clear fractions or the validity of the term "denumerator." There are multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of different strategies.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note assumptions about the values of x, specifically that x cannot equal 1 or 3, which is relevant to the discussion of the equation's validity. There are also unresolved questions about specific algebraic steps and their necessity in the process.

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How do I clear fractions in problems like this and set it up for the quadratic formula:

\frac{1}{x-1}+\frac{2}{3}=\frac{2}{x-3}

I would like to set this up to be solved with the quadratic formula. Also, is it true that the formula can solve all quadratic equations?
 
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Hi Amaz1ng :smile:

Amaz1ng said:
How do I clear fractions in problems like this and set it up for the quadratic formula:

\frac{1}{x-1}+\frac{2}{3}=\frac{2}{x-3}

I would like to set this up to be solved with the quadratic formula.

Multiply both sides of the equation with the denumerators of the fractions. This will clear the fractions. Also, before you do anything, you'll have to note that you have to assume that x is not 1 or 3.

Also, is it true that the formula can solve all quadratic equations?

Yes!
 
whats a denumerator? :shy:
 
The thing below your fraction. Thus in \frac{a}{b}, a is the numerator and b is the denumerator. So what you need to do is multiply your equation with x-1 and x-3.
 
btw like this?

\frac{1(x-3)}{(x-1)(x-3)}+\frac{2(x-3)}{3(x-3)}=\frac{2*3(x-1)}{3(x-1)(x-3)}
 
No, not like that. First multiply both sides of the equation by x-1, what do you get?
 
It's not wrong what you wrote, but it just won't help us forward... :frown:
 
<br /> \frac{1(x-1)}{(x-1)(x-1)}+\frac{2(x-1)}{3(x-1)}=\frac{2(x-1)}{(x-3)(x-1)}<br />
 
<br /> \frac{1(x-1)}{(x-1)}+\frac{2(x-1)}{3}=\frac{2(x-1)}{(x-3)}<br />
 
  • #10
But, why do you also divide by x-1? That won't help you forward, you should just multiply.

Maybe you'll grasp it better with some example:

Solve \frac{1}{x}+2=9
We multiply both sides by x, and we get 1+2x=9x. This gives us x=1/7.
 
  • #11
Amaz1ng said:
<br /> \frac{1(x-1)}{(x-1)}+\frac{2(x-1)}{3}=\frac{2(x-1)}{(x-3)}<br />

YES! :biggrin: very good!
Now, multiply both sides by x-3...
 
  • #12
\frac{1(x-1)(x-3)}{(x-1)}+\frac{2(x-1)(x-3)}{3}=\frac{2(x-1)(x-3)}{(x-3)}


lol :!)
 
  • #13
Very good! Doesn't that give you your quadratic formula? :smile:
 
  • #14
micromass said:
Very good! Doesn't that give you your quadratic formula? :smile:

I don't see how. lol
 
  • #15
I think I see now, but could you show me what exactly you're talking about.

x^2-3x-x+3 :o
 
  • #16
Well, if you have both (x-1) in the numerator and the denumerator, you can scratch them. You'll end up with an equation without fractions. Factoring gives you the desired equation!
 
  • #17
Amaz1ng said:
How do I clear fractions in problems like this and set it up for the quadratic formula:

\frac{1}{x-1}+\frac{2}{3}=\frac{2}{x-3}

I would like to set this up to be solved with the quadratic formula. Also, is it true that the formula can solve all quadratic equations?

This simplest way to clear fractions would be to immediately look at the denominators of all the fractions and find the least common denominator(LCD). In this equation, the LCD is simply all three of the denominators multiplied together, giving you 3(x-1)(x-3). Now when you multiply all three fractions in the equation by the LCD, you will immediately clear the fractions. From there you just need to do the algebra and use the quadratic formula to find the answers.
 
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  • #18
Ok but is there anything to cancel out in the middle fraction or..? I'm asking because it doesn't look like it to me. I have a feeling something needs to be done to it but I can't see what. I'm talking about this:

3(x-3)+\frac{6(x-1)(x-3)}{3}=6(x-1)//edit
or...cancel out the 3 in the bottom and in the 6...yeah I think that's it.
 
  • #19
Amaz1ng said:
Ok but is there anything to cancel out in the middle fraction or..? I'm asking because it doesn't look like it to me. I have a feeling something needs to be done to it but I can't see what. I'm talking about this:

3(x-3)+\frac{6(x-1)(x-3)}{3}=6(x-1)


//edit
or...cancel out the 3 in the bottom and in the 6...yeah I think that's it.

Exactly. When you multiply the middle fraction of \frac{2}{3} by 3(x-1)(x-3) the three in both expressions cancel each other, making the expression 2(x-1)(x-3).
 
  • #20
When you learn what's going on, you'll know that a fraction has a numerator above the bar and a denominator below the bar. Denumerator? I think not.
 
  • #21
SteamKing said:
When you learn what's going on, you'll know that a fraction has a numerator above the bar and a denominator below the bar. Denumerator? I think not.

I think that's how they say it in London or something. ;o
 

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