Cochran's Theorem (algebraic version)

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The discussion revolves around Cochran's Theorem in the context of linear algebra, specifically focusing on idempotent matrices and their ranks. The original poster is attempting to demonstrate that if a matrix A, expressed as the sum of symmetric matrices A_i, is idempotent and the sum of the ranks of A_i equals the rank of A, then each A_i must also be idempotent.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of proving the result for a simpler case and suggest using induction to extend the argument. There are considerations about the relationship between the size of the matrices and the number of A_i's. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the similarity of symmetric matrices of the same rank and explore the orthogonality of the matrices involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various insights and references. Some have offered potential directions for proof, while others express confusion and seek clarification on specific aspects of the problem. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants note constraints related to the properties of the matrices, such as the requirement for positive definiteness and the implications of matrix similarity. The original poster also mentions the context of writing notes for a reading class rather than a traditional homework assignment.

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Homework Statement


Trying to show that if a matrix A=A_1+...+A_n is idempotent and that if the sum of the ranks of A_i is equal to the rank of A then each A_i is idempotent. The A_i's are symmetric and real, of course.

This isn't really a homework question per se, I am writing notes for a reading class and I am trying to show that a particular distribution is chi^2 and I decided to add an appendix with cochrans theorem.

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http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~fwood/Teaching/w4315/Fall2009/lecture_cochran.pdf

I found this but the extension from beyond n=2 is not that obvious.

The Attempt at a Solution


It's obvious that A has an orthogonal decomposition of the form A=V^T diag(I_r,0)V and each of the A_i's have a similar decomposition by the spectral theorem. I realize that the rank will be unchanged by such an orthogonal decomposition. Each A_i will decompose into V_i^T diag(eigen1,eigen2,...,eigen(rank A_i),0,...) V_i.

Any nudge in the right direction would be appreciated.
 
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If you can prove the result for A = A1 + B, then consider the case where B= A2+A3. The general result will follow by induction.
 
The size of the matrix and the number of A_i's are related.

If you're talking about that particular link, if you do n=2 you're limited to looking at the sums A_1+A_2 since the rank of a nonzero quadratic form will never be 0.

So for an inductive argument you would be going from n=2 to n=3 the size of the matrix increases from 2x2 to 3x3, so you would have to break up this argument somehow to get your result in the 2x2 and show that it works for the 3x3 while holding the assumptions. Which to me, is not all that obvious.
 
Sorry, I obviously misunderstood the context. Perhaps the proofs at http://turing.une.edu.au/~stat354/notes/node37.html might be useful then.
 
No, that doesn't work. B_i's are assumed to be positive definite.Oh wait! Aren't any two symmetric matrices of the same rank similar?
 
ZioX said:
No, that doesn't work. B_i's are assumed to be positive definite.


Oh wait! Aren't any two symmetric matrices of the same rank similar?

Similarity would imply that they have the same eigenvalues, so not in general.
 
I am just drawing a blank.

The real importance here is how A_i becomes an orthogonal family of matrices, ie [tex]A_iA_j=0[/tex] for [tex]i \not= j[/tex]. I think the key to this is looking at the nullspace of I-A_i...
 
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fzero said:
Similarity would imply that they have the same eigenvalues, so not in general.

Idempotent matrices with the same rank are similar.

Which doesn't help.
 
I am still having trouble with this...

I'll restate the problem to make it easier for anyone who could help me:

Suppose [tex]A_1,\dots,A_k[/tex] are real symmetric matrices of order n with rank [tex]A_i = r_i[/tex].

If [tex]A_1+\dotsb+A_k=A[/tex] is idempotent and rank [tex]A=r_1+\dots+r_k[/tex] then each [tex]A_i[/tex] must be idempotent.
 

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