Coefficient of static friction.

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The problem involves a 1980kg car on a 5° incline that coasts a distance of 158m before braking to a stop 21m later. The objective is to determine the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road, assuming impending slipping during braking and neglecting air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the velocity at point B and the subsequent acceleration during braking. There is a focus on the forces acting on the car, particularly the role of static friction and gravity. Some participants question whether to consider forces when the car is stopped or during braking.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations of how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the forces involved during braking and the definition of static friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to include gravitational forces in the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method to find the coefficient of static friction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the expression "slipping is impending" may imply that static friction is at its maximum, and there is discussion about the relevance of acceleration during the braking phase. The problem setup and assumptions are under scrutiny, particularly concerning the forces acting on the car.

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Homework Statement


A 1980kg car starts from rest at point A on a 5° incline and coasts through a distance of 158m to point B. The brakes are then applied, causing the car to come to a stop at point C, 21m from point B. Knowing that slipping is impending during the braking period and neglecting air resistance, determine the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road.


Homework Equations


Vf^2 = V0^2 + 2ad
F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I get the velocity at point B by: V = sqrt(0 + 2*(9.81*sin(5))*158) = 16.4371 m/s

I then find the acceleration from point B to point C by: 0 = 16.4371^2 + 2*a*21
∴ a = -6.4328 m/s^2

Then I try and find the coefficient of static friction by:
F = ma = -μmgcos(5)
cancelling the m's: -6.4328 = -μ*9.81*cos(5)
This gives me: μ = .6582 which is not correct. What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
 
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alvarez91 said:

Homework Statement


A 1980kg car starts from rest at point A on a 5° incline and coasts through a distance of 158m to point B. The brakes are then applied, causing the car to come to a stop at point C, 21m from point B. Knowing that slipping is impending during the braking period and neglecting air resistance, determine the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road.


Homework Equations


Vf^2 = V0^2 + 2ad
F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I get the velocity at point B by: V = sqrt(0 + 2*(9.81*sin(5))*158) = 16.4371 m/s

I then find the acceleration from point B to point C by: 0 = 16.4371^2 + 2*a*21
∴ a = -6.4328 m/s^2

Then I try and find the coefficient of static friction by:
F = ma = -μmgcos(5)
cancelling the m's: -6.4328 = -μ*9.81*cos(5)
This gives me: μ = .6582 which is not correct. What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
When the car stops there is no acceleration. The acceleration you got for the braking period is irrelevant.

ehild
 
Should I only be concerned with the forces of the car when it is stopped?
If so, would it be F = mgsin(5)?

Then I get: mgsin(5) = μmgcos(5)
which would give me: μ = tan(5) = .0875, but that seems too small.
 
You are right, that is too small, but static friction is not a defined quantity. So mgsin(5) ≤ μmgcos(5), μ≥tan(5°). Perhaps they want the coefficient of friction during the braking period, and they say, it is static friction as the tyres do not slip, but they are at the brink of slipping so the static friction is at its maximum.
But you did not calculate that correctly: you need to include both the component of gravity and the force of friction into the resultant force, ma.

ehild
 
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alvarez91 said:
∴ a = -6.4328 m/s^2

Then I try and find the coefficient of static friction by:
F = ma = -μmgcos(5)
cancelling the m's: -6.4328 = -μ*9.81*cos(5)
This gives me: μ = .6582 which is not correct. What am I missing? Thanks for any help.

I was confused with the expression "slipping is impending". Read my edited previous post, and include the force of gravity in your equation:

F=ma=mgsin(5)-μmgcos(5)

ehild
 
So if you set the acceleration to zero what happens? ...
You need to slow the block down, so Newton's Law say you have to slow it down.

To actually solve this problem, one method you can use is to set up three equations, one for position, one for velocity, and one for acceleration. You've already found the acceleration, and you can express the other two as functions of time assuming constant acceleration. Solve for your unknowns and you should find find the coefficient of friction.
 

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