Coincidence counting in Bell experiment

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The discussion revolves around the topic of coincidence counting in Bell experiments, focusing on the detection of single photons, the handling of no-hits, and the implications for demonstrating violations of Bell inequalities. Participants explore the technical aspects of photon detection and the assumptions involved in the experimental setup.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there are single photons produced that are not entangled, and these detections are typically discarded. One participant mentions that about 1% of detections result in coincidences.
  • It is discussed that the pairing of hits in the experiment is managed by creating a time window, which balances the need for coincidences against the risk of including non-entangled photons.
  • One participant questions whether only coincidences, corrected for false hits, are sufficient to demonstrate the violation of the Bell inequality, referencing a proof based on the full outcome space.
  • Another participant expresses an assumption that the source produces photons in pairs, but acknowledges potential issues with signal loss and detection efficiency, citing a specific experiment with a reported detection efficiency of 5%.
  • The fair sampling assumption is mentioned as a method to address the handling of no-hits, suggesting that the detected photon sample is representative of the overall sample after passing through the polarizer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the handling of single photons and no-hits, with some agreeing on the use of the fair sampling assumption while others raise questions about its implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of coincidences for demonstrating Bell inequality violations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the production of photon pairs, the impact of detection efficiency, and the implications of the fair sampling assumption on the applicability of Bell inequalities.

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I have trouble finding the following information on the coincidence counting in a Bell experiment:
- Is there a fraction of single photons (not entangled) produced in the experiment and how are the final results corrected for this?
- No-hits on both side can never be counted (nothing is measured). How is this handled?
 
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Yes, there are photons that show up as singles. These are discarded. In fact, most detections fit this criteria. The number of detections per second might be on the order of 5000 each for Alice and Bob. The number of pairs (coincidences) is about 1% of that, or about 50 per second.

The pairing of hits is done by creating a time window. This is typically on the order of 20-40 nanoseconds - there are about 30 million such windows in a second. Since detections run about 10,000 total per second, you can see that less than 1 in 1000 time windows has anything at all going into it.

If you increase the size of the time bin, you get more coincidences but you also increase the chances of pairing photons that are not entangled. If you decrease the size of the window, you may exclude some entangled pairs. So there is a balance.

You may benefit from this article, see table 1 on page 7:

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0205171
 
Thanks for your answer.

So one only needs the coincidences, corrected by the possibly false hits (two single photons within the time frame) to show the violation of the Bell inequality (I had just read a proof of the Bell inequality based on the full outcome space)?
 
ajw1 said:
I have trouble finding the following information on the coincidence counting in a Bell experiment:
- Is there a fraction of single photons (not entangled) produced in the experiment and how are the final results corrected for this?
It is assumed that source produces photons always in pairs and there seems to be no reason to doubt that.
However signal can be diminished while it gets to polarizer.
As well detectors can be tuned to detect more or less photons.
For example in this experiment:
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9810080"
detection efficiency reported was 5%
ajw1 said:
- No-hits on both side can never be counted (nothing is measured). How is this handled?
Fair sampling assumption is used here to make some conclusions about undetected pairs.
It means that photon sample detected is faithful representative of photon sample you have after polarizer.
Without that Bell inequalities are not applicable to photon entanglement experiments.
 
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