Collision of point mass and sphere in particular fashion

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The problem involves a point mass projected at an angle colliding with a sphere, which subsequently bounces off the ground. The scenario includes multiple collisions and requires understanding of momentum and energy conservation principles in a physics context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the mechanics of the sphere's bounce and the implications of momentum conservation during the collisions. Questions arise regarding the timing of collisions and the assumptions made about the system's behavior.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various interpretations and approaches. Some have offered insights into the mechanics of the collisions, while others are questioning the assumptions and seeking clarification on specific aspects of the problem.

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There is uncertainty regarding the timing of the collisions and the specific conditions under which they occur. Participants are also considering the implications of rotational motion and the need for additional equations to fully describe the system.

  • #31
haruspex said:
As already deduced, the two masses are the same and they have equal and opposite vertical velocity components immediately after first impact.

When two equal masses collide elastically, the velocity components normal to the plane of contact simply swap over. The point mass therefore comes to rest in that direction, moving off tangentially to the sphere. Since that is 60 degrees above the horizontal, the line of centres must be 30 degrees below it.

It follows from the above that the sphere acquires a greater horizontal velocity than the point mass retains. It is therefore impossible for the point mass to overtake the sphere in the manner of the diagram.

Perhaps treating it as two collisions, point mass with sphere then sphere with ground, is wrong.

if that is not the case then why does the sphere bounce ?
 
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  • #32
vishnu 73 said:
if that is not the case then why does the sphere bounce ?
It will bounce, for sure, but there really is no justification for treating it as two impacts in series, other than to make it simpler.
In reality, it would depend on the relative stiffness of the bodies, including the ground. If the point mass and the sphere are highly rigid (think, spring with very high k), but the ground is a softer spring, then it might approach such a serialisation. More likely, the ground would be the most rigid of the three.

A more accurate view would consider the two impacts occurring in parallel, but that gets quite hard to analyse. In principle, one of them would transit from compression phase to expansion phase at different times. A reasonable model would be to take the point mass and the ground as completely rigid and the sphere as the source of all elasticity.

One thing that makes it defy intuition somewhat is the assumption of no friction between the surfaces. We need to do that or we get tangled up with rotational energy too.
 

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