Collisions in the centre of mass frame

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding collisions in the centre of mass frame compared to the lab frame, specifically focusing on the angle of deflection during these collisions. Participants explore the transformation between different reference frames and seek to derive formulas related to these angles.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the angle of deflection in the centre of mass frame differs from that in the lab frame, attributing this to the relative motion of the frames.
  • Another participant states that the angle is a free parameter and emphasizes the importance of transforming between frames.
  • A participant requests guidance on how to perform the transformation between frames.
  • One participant explains the Galilean transformation, detailing how to convert velocity components between the two frames and how to derive direction cosines from these components.
  • A later reply indicates a realization of the explanation provided, acknowledging the velocity of the moving frame in the transformation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the need for frame transformation to understand the angle of deflection, but the discussion does not resolve the specific methods or formulas for deriving these angles in the centre of mass frame.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify certain assumptions regarding the conditions of the collisions or the specific scenarios being analyzed, leaving some mathematical steps and definitions unresolved.

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I've just found out that in the centre of mass frame, the angle of deflection in a collision is different from in the lab frame.

I vaguely understand why: if the frame you viewed the particles in was also moving but only horizontally it would make their horizontal movement appear to decrease while their vertical movement would stay constant, which would seem to decrease the angle.

I have no idea how you would go about finding angles of deflection in the centre of mass frame. Could someone help me derive/ tell me a formula for doing so?
 
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The angle is a free parameter. The issue is transforming between the frames.
 
How would I go about transforming between frames?

Thanks for helping! :-)
 
Call one set of axes S. Let another set of axes, S', be co-incident with S. Let S' now move steadily in the +x direction, relative to S. Now suppose there's a particle moving with velocity components ux, uy, uz as described on the S axes. On the S' axes the components will be (ux-v), uy, uz. This is a galilean (non-relativistic) transform.

From the components you can find the direction cosines of the velocity vectors in the two frames. If the particle is moving in, say, just the x and y directions then it's even easier: in S, tanθ = uy/ux, whereas in S', tanθ' = uy/(ux-v)
 
Ah, I think I get it now- thanks.
 
Good! Despite my forgetting to say that v was the velocity of the S' frame relative to the S!
 

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