Color of Light: Frequency vs Wavelength.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between color, wavelength, and frequency of light, particularly how these properties change when light travels through different media. Participants explore the implications of these changes for color perception and the definitions of color in various contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that color is associated with a specific wavelength in air, but frequency remains constant across different media, leading to confusion about color perception.
  • Another participant emphasizes that color is a perceptual concept rather than a physical attribute and that multiple frequencies can produce the same color perception.
  • It is proposed that the wavelength relevant for color perception should be considered in the medium of the eye, rather than the medium through which light travels before reaching the eye.
  • Participants discuss the idea that combining different frequencies can yield the same perceptual color, such as white light from multiple monochromatic sources.
  • There is a consensus among some participants that frequency is the primary determinant of color.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between wavelength, frequency, and color perception. While some agree that frequency is the key determinant of color, others highlight the complexity of how color is perceived in different media, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of associating specific wavelengths with colors, particularly in different media, and the implications for how color is perceived through the eye's receptors.

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So today I was thinking that color is connected with a given wavelength (for example red light in air is about 600nm) but after some research online I found out that color depends on the frequency and when light travels through various optical media (like air, glass etc) speed and wavelength change according to ƒ= v/λ so that the frequency f remains the same for all media. That's why it will remain red throughout all media.
So I found that red color for example may have many wavelength values depending on which medium it propagates. So if a red laser beam travels through air and then it goes through water, the speed and wavelength will change and the wavelength of the red laser in air is 600 nm but in water the wavelength of the same frequency gets about 460nm which corresponds to blue in air.
So I guess color is connected to a specific wavelength(like we are taught) but ONLY in air media(n=1), and universally frequency remains the same through all media, which is what defines what color we will perceive.
Unfortunately, it's confusing that certain wavelengths are associated with certain colors perceptually but these values apply only in air.
I would like to read any comments on the topic.

I used this page as source:

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/emails/lightfrequency.html
 
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You got it right, pretty much.
Why are you confused, then?

The color is a perception concept, not a physical attribute. But it depends on the frequency of the light, but not in a 1 to 1 relationship. You can get same perception with more than one frequency.

And if you wish to associate color with a wavelengths, it should be the wavelength in the eye receptor and not in any other medium. So if you are in water and look at red light, the wavelength through water will indeed reduced but the wavelength in the medium of your eye will be the same as when you receive that red light from air (or glass, or anything else).

It is just more convenient to identify light by wavelength in air. Not just for perception. The wavelength of a laser for example, is given as the value in air.
 
thanks for the reply ,

yes you can get perceptually,say white light, with combining two or more 'narrow band'/monochromatic frequencies ( like with the early LED lights)

And I agree with the eye comment. The last medium before the receptors inside the eye will always be of the same n / Index Of Refraction so no matter what was 'before' that , a specific frequency will all end up being seen as the same color always.
 
You are right. What determines the color is essentially frequency.
 

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