Combinatorics: Starting Posets/Relations

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The problem involves counting symmetric and reflexive relations on a set X, specifically when X = {a, b, c, d, e, f}. The original poster attempts to understand the nature of symmetric relations and the relationship between subsets and relations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants suggest starting with a smaller example to better grasp the concept of symmetric relations. There is also discussion about the nature of relations as subsets of the Cartesian product rather than subsets of the set itself.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of how to count symmetric and reflexive relations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions and properties of relations, but there is no explicit consensus on the counting method yet.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the number of reflexive relations and the implications of counting subsets versus ordered pairs in the context of relations.

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We say that a relation R on a set X is symmetric if (x, y) \in R implies (y, x) \in R for all x, y \in X. If X = \{a, b, c, d, e, f \}, how many symmetric relations are there on X? How many of these are reflexive?


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At this point, I understand that there are 2^6 subsets of X. I don't understand how to count the number of relations that are symmetric though. Also, I would have thought that since there are 2^6 subsets, that there would be 2^6 reflexive relations, but I know the answer to that question to be 2^{15}. All help is appreciated!
 
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Try with a smaller example, like 3 elements {a,b,c} to begin with - or just try writing out a few symmetric relations and trying to see what needs to be true about them.

You notion of 2^6 implies that a relation (of some type) is purely defined by being a subset - if that were true then it wouldn't be a very interesting property.
 
You mean to say that there are 2^15 relations on X that are both reflexive and symmetric (there are 2^30 reflexive relations). If you want to think about relations as sets, you should be looking at sets of ordered pairs whose entries come from X.
 
A relation on X is NOT a subset of X. It is a subset of the Cartesian product of X with iteself.
 

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