Combustion explained by physics

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The discussion explores the relationship between physics and combustion, questioning how physical principles can explain the burning or melting of various materials, particularly metals. Participants seek to clarify the role of physics in understanding combustion processes and the unique reactions that may arise from these principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how combustion can be explained through physics rather than chemistry, suggesting that both fields overlap in their foundational laws.
  • One participant proposes that electron jumps can explain the color emitted when lithium burns, indicating a potential intersection of physics and chemistry in this phenomenon.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while physics can describe combustion, chemistry also plays a crucial role in explaining specific reactions, such as the color change in burning lithium.
  • There is a discussion about the energy released during combustion and the emission of photons as electrons transition between energy levels, with variations in color depending on the metal involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which physics can independently explain combustion, with some asserting that chemistry is also essential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific physics principles applicable to combustion.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions or boundaries between physics and chemistry in the context of combustion, and there are unresolved questions about the specific physics principles involved.

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How does physics play into combustion? Can it be used to explain why certain metals/materials burn or melt? I don't understand how combustion can be explained in terms of physics instead of chemistry. Also, what are some things that can be burned that result in a unique reaction due to physics principles? Any clarifications to any or all of those questions would be much appreciated, thanks!
 
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iwannalearn1 said:
How does physics play into combustion? Can it be used to explain why certain metals/materials burn or melt? I don't understand how combustion can be explained in terms of physics instead of chemistry. Also, what are some things that can be burned that result in a unique reaction due to physics principles? Any clarifications to any or all of those questions would be much appreciated, thanks!

Chemisty IS physics. The basic laws of science are used in both. Physics is just a term for the particular study of the universe in general, from the very small to the very large and everything in between. Chemistry is much more focused on the interactions of elements and molecules and strictly deals with them.

Well, that's my explanation in a nutshell. I'm sure there's a much more precise definition for both.
 
So I could use electron jumps to explain why lithium burns red when ignited? Is that physics?
 
iwannalearn1 said:
So I could use electron jumps to explain why lithium burns red when ignited? Is that physics?

I'm not sure what context you are using, but any correct way that you describe how it burns red WILL be physics AND chemistry. However, you cannot use chemistry to describe how the moon orbits the earth, while you can, and must, use physics.
 
I'm trying to look for a specific physics principle that plays a part in combustion, but I understand what you're saying. Thanks for the help.
 
iwannalearn1 said:
I'm trying to look for a specific physics principle that plays a part in combustion, but I understand what you're saying. Thanks for the help.

I'm not understanding what you mean by that. What does chemistry say about Lithium burning red?
 
I'm not necessarily looking for a specific physics principle to explain why lithium burns red, just to explain the combustion process in general.
 
iwannalearn1 said:
I'm not necessarily looking for a specific physics principle to explain why lithium burns red, just to explain the combustion process in general.

Alright, well what does chemistry say about that?
 
During the combustion process, energy is given off and electrons jump to different levels. When they jump, they emit light particles called photons. Depending on the metals, different colors are released.
 
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iwannalearn1 said:
During the combustion process, energy is given off and electrons jump to different levels. When they jump, they emit light particles called photons. Depending on the metals, different colors are released.

That is pretty much correct. In chemistry and physics.

If you wan't the nitty gritty details they are explainable, but your explanation is correct.
 

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