Commutation of time derrivative

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The discussion revolves around the commutation relations involving time derivatives of field operators, specifically in the context of the Klein-Gordon field. Participants explore the conditions under which certain commutators vanish or do not vanish, and the implications of these relations in quantum field theory.

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  • One participant asserts that the commutation relation $$[\partial_t \Psi, \Psi]=0$$ holds, questioning why this should be the case.
  • Another participant counters that the commutator does not generally vanish, providing an example from the canonical commutation relations for a free real Klein-Gordon field, where $$[\Psi(x,t), \partial_t \Psi (x',t)] = i\delta^{3}(x - x')$$.
  • A third participant discusses the commutation relations specific to the Klein-Gordon field, noting that $$[\Psi^\dagger (x,t), \partial_t \Psi (x',t)] = -i\hbar\delta(r-r')$$ and other related commutation relations, suggesting a possible connection to a formula involving derivatives of functions of operators.
  • Another participant introduces the distinction between real and complex Klein-Gordon fields, stating that for complex fields, certain commutation relations are trivial, emphasizing the independence of the fields involved.

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Participants express differing views on the commutation relations, with no consensus reached regarding the conditions under which the commutators vanish or do not vanish. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Participants reference specific mathematical forms of the commutation relations and the implications of field independence, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or conditions that lead to the differing conclusions.

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Hi I regard,

$$[\partial_t \Psi, \Psi]=0$$
but \Psi is a field-operator.

I don't understand why the commutation of the derrivative of the operator \Psi by itself should be zero?
THX
 
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Abigale said:
I don't understand why the commutation of the derrivative of the operator \Psi by itself should be zero?

Could you provide a little more context? The commutator shouldn't vanish in general. For example if ##\Psi## is a (free) real Klein Gordon field then from the canonical commutation relations we have ##[\Psi(x,t), \partial_t \Psi (x',t)] = i\delta^{3}(x - x')## so clearly they don't commute in this case.
 
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I regard a Klein-Gordon-field. But for the Klein-Gordon-Field, the commutation-relation is $$ [\Psi^\dagger (x,t), \partial_t \Psi (x',t)] = -i\hbar\delta(r-r')$$
I even know that: $$ [\Psi^\dagger(x,t), \Psi (x',t)] = 0$$
and $$ [\partial_t\Psi^\dagger(x,t), \partial_t \Psi (x',t)] = 0$$

and for sure $$ [\partial_t\Psi^\dagger(x,t), \Psi (x',t)] =-i\hbar\delta(r-r') $$
Maybe with the formula:
$$[A,f(B)]=i \frac{d}{dB} f(B)$$ ?
 
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I'm not sure what you're asking. If you're talking about complex Klein Gordon fields as opposed to real Klein Gordon fields then ##[\varphi, \pi^{\dagger}] = [\varphi, \partial_t \varphi] = 0## is a trivial statement of second quantization; ##\varphi## and ##\varphi^{\dagger}## are regarded as independent fields and ##\pi^{\dagger} = \partial_t \varphi## is the conjugate momentum of ##\varphi^{\dagger}## not that of ##\varphi##.
 

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