Commutator of two element in GL(2,5)

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The discussion revolves around the commutator of two elements in the group of invertible 2x2 matrices over the field of integers modulo 5, denoted as GL(2,5). Participants are checking the correctness of a solution related to the computation of the commutator, which involves matrix multiplication and subtraction.

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  • Participants express confusion over differing answers provided by a professor and their own calculations regarding the commutator. There is an exploration of the definitions involved, particularly the distinction between matrix and group commutators.

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Some participants have clarified the definition of the commutator in the context of group theory, while others are still questioning the accuracy of the answers they have received. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further explanation and confirmation of the correct approach.

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Participants note the potential for misunderstanding due to the terminology used, specifically regarding the definitions of commutators in different mathematical contexts. There is also mention of the professor's consistency in providing answers that may not align with the participants' calculations.

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Homework Statement



This is more about checking a solution I've been given is correct, because either my professor is consistently getting this wrong or I am.

The Attempt at a Solution



My professor's answers say

[ \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 4 \end{array} \right), <br /> <br /> \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 4 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right)] = <br /> <br /> \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 4 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 4 \end{array} \right)

But I get the answer

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right)

I won't go into explicit detail unless someone asks because I can't be bothered to do the latex, but can anyone confirm which answer is right? My professor does a lot of these through the solutions and I seem to be getting contradictory answers in each case.
 
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Silversonic said:

Homework Statement



This is more about checking a solution I've been given is correct, because either my professor is consistently getting this wrong or I am.


The Attempt at a Solution



My professor's answers say

[ \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 4 \end{array} \right), <br /> <br /> \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 4 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right)] = <br /> <br /> \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 4 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 4 \end{array} \right)

But I get the answer

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right)

I won't go into explicit detail unless someone asks because I can't be bothered to do the latex, but can anyone confirm which answer is right? My professor does a lot of these through the solutions and I seem to be getting contradictory answers in each case.

Assuming GL(2,5) means invertible 2x2 matrices mod 5 and commutator means [A,B]=AB-BA, I don't get either answer. You don't have to TeX, just explain what you mean.
 
Dick said:
Assuming GL(2,5) means invertible 2x2 matrices mod 5 and commutator means [A,B]=AB-BA, I don't get either answer. You don't have to TeX, just explain what you mean.

Apologies, the the commutator of two elements x and y in a group is denoted [x,y], meaning

[x,y] = x^{-1}y^{-1}xy

But everything else you said was correct, this is the group of invertible 2x2 matrices mod 5.
 
Silversonic said:
Apologies, the the commutator of two elements x and y in a group is denoted [x,y], meaning

[x,y] = x^{-1}y^{-1}xy

But everything else you said was correct, this is the group of invertible 2x2 matrices mod 5.

Ah, ok. That makes more sense. If it's the group commutator not the matrix commutator, then I agree with your answer.
 

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