Comparing materials abality to absorb impact

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The discussion revolves around the investigation of different materials' effectiveness at absorbing impact, utilizing a pendulum method to measure energy absorption through rebound height. Participants explore various materials and methods, considering the complexity of the investigation and potential links to concepts like simple harmonic motion (SHM) and circular motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • David proposes using a pendulum to measure energy absorbed by different materials, calculating energy based on changes in potential energy.
  • Some participants affirm the pendulum method, noting its industrial applications, while others question the relevance of linking the investigation to SHM or circular motion.
  • Suggestions are made to research the Izod and Charpy impact tests to better understand material toughness.
  • David expresses uncertainty about whether SHM and circular motion concepts apply to a pendulum striking an object, raising questions about damping effects.
  • Participants discuss the challenge of acquiring materials of uniform size and thickness for the investigation, with suggestions to normalize energy absorbed per unit width instead.
  • Some participants argue that while normalizing energies is possible, maintaining similar specimen sizes is important for accuracy, especially when comparing different materials.
  • Practical advice is given regarding the ease of obtaining uniform sample sizes, with a suggestion to scale materials based on available specimens.
  • Concerns are raised about the characteristics of cut bone versus intact bone, suggesting consultation with a biologist for further insight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the pendulum method and the importance of material toughness testing, but there is no consensus on the relevance of SHM and circular motion to the investigation. The discussion about specimen size and the implications of using different materials remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the need for uniform dimensions in materials and the potential impact of specimen size on results. There is also uncertainty about the applicability of certain physical concepts to the experimental setup.

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Hi,
I'm doing this investigation for school, and i came up with the idea of comparing the effectivenss of different matrials at absorbing impact.
I have an idea about using a pendulum, where i release a bob of known mass at known starting height then let it hit the material. Thus, afterwards if i can record the rebound height then i can find the energy absorbed. (change in Ep= mgh(before) - mgh(after)). Not entirely sure if this is the best method to do this.
I would REALLY appreciate any comments on his, or alternative methods.

Also, I need to write a 2500 word report on it afterewards, so i really need to make it more complex. -i thought about linking with SHM (cos a swinging pendulum and its kinda like damping), or maybe circular motion (i.e find angular momentum or something, but would need w)


Any ideas??

Thanks.


David :smile:
 
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Your idea about using a pendulum weight to measure energy absorbed is fantastic; so much so that I'd suspect you've seen that this is how industrial machines accomplish the same task!

I'm not so sure about your ideas regarding SHM or circular motion (I don't really see what you'd gain from adding this), but I suppose it depends what you're trying to get out of the project.
 
To the OP: Look up the keywords Izod, Charpy Impact Test. For more on the subject, try to understand how the impact toughness of a metarial can be estimated from its stress-strain curve.
 
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Thanks for your comments. The Izod, Charpy techniques were of great help.
I have decided to go ahead with this investigation, but as i said i am trying to increase the complexity of it also. SHM and Circular motion would help in the actual analysis of the motion and impact. I'm just not sure if they would strictly apply to a pendulum striking an object (i.e. is this a special case of damping??) ? :confused:

Also, I am planning on investigating many materials including: Rubber, foam, wood (different kinds), metals, paper, building material (brick, stone, etc) plastics, different cloth materials, bone. However, in the investigation i will need all these materials in the same dimensions. So, I am at a complete loss as to how i am going to acquire all these materials with the same size and thickness. Some are of course easier then others... but I am not sure a hardware shop would have most.
- Or alternatively would it be possible to state the energy absorbed in terms of energy absorbed per unit width of the specimen. So wouldn't need same dimensions. I'm not sure if that would be possible. ?



Again, i would really appreciate any comments of help..


Thanks



David
 
Haunschmidt said:
Thanks for your comments. The Izod, Charpy techniques were of great help.
I have decided to go ahead with this investigation, but as i said i am trying to increase the complexity of it also. SHM and Circular motion would help in the actual analysis of the motion and impact. I'm just not sure if they would strictly apply to a pendulum striking an object (i.e. is this a special case of damping??) ? :confused:

As brewnog mentioned before, I don't see where circular motion would fit in, but I guess you can always add some additional information to make things look nicer. :wink:

Haunschmidt said:
Also, I am planning on investigating many materials including: Rubber, foam, wood (different kinds), metals, paper, building material (brick, stone, etc) plastics, different cloth materials, bone.

Stick to wood and metal first, eventually some kind of brick/stone, as you mentioned.

Haunschmidt said:
- Or alternatively would it be possible to state the energy absorbed in terms of energy absorbed per unit width of the specimen. So wouldn't need same dimensions. I'm not sure if that would be possible. ?

Usually, in a classical Charpy test, the impact strength of a material sample is defined in units [J / m^2], i.e. you have to divide your energy with the area of the cross section at the point of impact.
 
Haunschmidt said:
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- Or alternatively would it be possible to state the energy absorbed in terms of energy absorbed per unit width of the specimen. So wouldn't need same dimensions. I'm not sure if that would be possible. ?

...it is naturally possible to normalize the energies with the fracture area. However, to be accurate these tests do not produce specimen size independent results (well what does but anyways :biggrin: ), so I'd recommend you keep the dimensions "similar". With the accuracy you're seeking I don't think this is much of an issue, but I'd keep the specimen sizes, say, within 'tens of percents' of each other if possible (with respect to width) and then normalize the results with the appropriate dimension that changes. If you've as radically different materials as it seems this will likely be very much a non-issue but thought I'd mention (if you were comparing similar materials, like 2 different kinds of steels it would definitely be an issue).
 
From a practical standpoint, it really shouldn't be too difficult to get sample sizes the same. It's not difficult to get the engineering and construction materials cut; and if you really wanted to include things like bone, you could select your specimen size based on what you have around you?
 
I'm not entirely sure about this, but I suspect that a cut section of bone won't show the same characteristics as an intact bone of the same general size because of the way the stress would be distributed. It might be best to start with a bone and scale the other materials to match. It might be helpful to consult a biologist about it.
 

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