Comparing two functions: Proving f(x) > g(x) for all x > 0

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the function f(x)=1/x² is greater than g(x)=1/x - ln(1+1/x) for all x > 0. Participants are exploring various methods to establish this inequality rigorously.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss comparing derivatives and the functions themselves, considering the positivity of (f-g)(x) and the ratios (f/g)(x) and (g/f)(x). Some suggest analyzing the behavior of the functions in different intervals, particularly for x < 1 and x > 1.

Discussion Status

There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, including derivative comparisons and transformations of the functions. Some participants have noted specific cases where the inequality holds, but there is no explicit consensus on a complete method yet.

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Participants mention the challenge of rigorously proving the inequality without resorting to informal reasoning. There is a focus on the behavior of the functions in different ranges of x, particularly around the point x = 1.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to show that the function f(x)=\frac{1}{x^{2}} is greater than g(x)=\frac{1}{x}-ln(1+\frac{1}{x}) for all x>0.


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The Attempt at a Solution


This is really simple, but I'm having some trouble showing it rigorously. I thought about trying to compare the derivatives, but it's not that simple. Are there any good ways to do this?
 
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the_kid said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to show that the function f(x)=\frac{1}{x^{2}} is greater than g(x)=\frac{1}{x}-ln(1+\frac{1}{x}) for all x>0.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


This is really simple, but I'm having some trouble showing it rigorously. I thought about trying to compare the derivatives, but it's not that simple. Are there any good ways to do this?
Well... then the function (f-g)(x) must be positive ...

the function (f/g)(x) must be greater than 1, or be negative ...

the function (g/f)(x) must be less than 1, or be negative.
 
SammyS said:
Well... then the function (f-g)(x) must be positive ...

the function (f/g)(x) must be greater than 1, or be negative ...

the function (g/f)(x) must be less than 1, or be negative.

Right. That was the other method I tried. I just can't figure out a way to do it without some "hand-waving."
 
Not sure if this simplifies anything, but if 0 &lt; x &lt; 1, then 1/x^2 &gt; 1/x so clearly f(x) &gt; g(x). So you only have to worry about x &gt; 1.
 
Using that, a fourth method: it is easy to show this is true for x= 1 so if you can prove that f'(x)> g'(x) for all x>1 you are done.
 
the_kid said:
Right. That was the other method I tried. I just can't figure out a way to do it without some "hand-waving."
How about comparing f(1/x) and g(1/x) ?
 
SammyS said:
How about comparing f(1/x) and g(1/x) ?

Hmmm, OK, how does this help me?
 
Well, derivatives are a bit simpler, etc.

RGV
 
I've been able to show that f(1/x)>g(1/x) for all x>1. From this, how exactly can I conclude that f(x)>g(x)?
 
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the_kid said:
I've been able to show that f(1/x)>g(1/x) for all x>1. From this, how exactly can I conclude that f(x)>g(x)?
That shows that f(x)>g(x) for 0 < x < 1, which isn't a big help.
 

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