Complex (contour indep.) integral of a branched integrand

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The discussion revolves around the concept of contour independence in complex integrals, particularly in the context of multi-branched functions like f(z) = z^(1/n). Participants explore the implications of branch choices on the evaluation of integrals and the conditions under which contour independence holds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the broad statement that the integral of a complex integrable function is contour-independent, suggesting it may not apply to multi-branched functions without specific conditions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that integrals are unchanged if the contour is continuously deformed without crossing singularities, using the example of 1/z to illustrate the concept.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of sticking to a single branch during integration and the limitations on switching branches without winding around singularities.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between non-analytic points and multi-branched functions, indicating a need for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the precise statement regarding contour independence for multi-branched functions. There are competing views on how branch choices affect integrals and the conditions required for contour independence.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of integrating multi-branched functions and the role of branch cuts and singularities in determining contour independence. Some assumptions about the nature of the functions and the paths taken in integration remain unresolved.

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I'm struggling to reconcile that a complex integrable function may be multi-branched with the statement that its integral is contour-independent. Consider f(z) = z^(1/n), n natural, n-branched and its integral from z_0 to z_1.

On the way from z_0 to z_1 I can take a few detours near the origin where in each evaluation of z^(1/n) I can choose a branch. So I may pass across, say, the real axes at z=1 and choose, for n=2, -1 while I'm still below it and 1 as soon as I have crossed it. On the way back, however, I stick with one branch.

That wouldn't work. So my question is, what is the mathematical correct statement then? It obviously can't be as broad as "the integral of complex integrable function is contour independent".

Should we say "The integral of a complex integrable function is contour independent if its evaluated so that it's differentiable along the path" (thus forbidding any "switch of branch)? What if we consider more esoteric, multi-branched functions where two different branches concide at a point (which would then still allow us to jump from one onto the other).

Or should we say "Branches can always be choosen such that the integral from z_0 to z_1 equals any other integral from z_0 to z_1"?

On a second thought: Perhaps the "function" is defined by an appropriate choice of a branch at each point a-priori. That would clearly make sense. We require the function to be holomorphic, which it only is under a certain choice of branching.
 
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ManDay said:
On the way from z_0 to z_1 I can take a few detours near the origin where in each evaluation of z^(1/n) I can choose a branch. So I may pass across, say, the real axes at z=1 and choose, for n=2, -1 while I'm still below it and 1 as soon as I have crossed it. On the way back, however, I stick with one branch.

That wouldn't work.
You seem to have figured out that this doesn't work. I don't understand what you are asking.

You say you are having problems with the concept. Perhaps looking at the concepts in more detail may help? I don't know, because your wording seems unclear. Your understanding of multivalued functions appears to be "new", so I don't know how I might approach this with you.
 
No, I'm not really "new" to the subject. I don't understand why you neglect to quote the questions I asked and then claim you wouldn't understand what I was asking, to be honest.
 
The correct statement is something like, "The integral of an analytic function is unchanged if you continuously deform the contour of integration, as long as you don't push the contour across any singularities." The statement is *not* that any two contours give the same answer. Rather, two contours give the same answer if one can be continuously deformed into the other without passing over any singularities.

It may be easiest to think about this first in a context where there are no branches to worry about. For instance, take the classic example of a closed loop integral of 1/z. The value of this integral is determined entirely by the number of times the contour winds around the pole at z = 0. This is because you can continuously deform the contour without changing the value of the integral, as long as you don't push the contour across the pole. If you do push the contour across the pole, the value of the integral changes.

A similar situation holds when the function has multiple branches. Let's first agree that we should never jump discontinously from one branch to another: that doesn't really make sense. Then integrals of z^(1/n) are much like integrals of 1/z: you can continuously deform the contour without changing the value of the integral, as long as you don't push the contour across z = 0. (z = 0 is again a sort of singularity: the integrand is not analytic there).

Note that, contrary to what you suggest, you don't have a whole lot of freedom to decide what branch you want to be on. You can choose what branch you start on, but then as you move along the contour you have to stick to whatever branch you are currently on. You can only get to a different branch by winding around the origin (or, in the general case, wherever the branch cut starts) an appropriate number of times, which gets you to another branch in a continuous way.
 
Thanks for the reply, it answers my question.

I'm aware of the implications of integrating a non-holomorphic function and, admitted, the way I phrased the contour-independence was obviously wrong, now that you mention it.

I do see your point and how it relates to the two examples you gave. But is there an exact statement relating non-analytic points to multi-branched?

Nvm, that wouldn'T make sense
 
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