Complex Cross Product and Area of a parallelogram

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The discussion revolves around finding the area of a parallelogram formed by two complex numbers represented as vectors. The original poster is exploring the relationship between the cross product of these vectors and the area calculation, specifically questioning the interpretation of the result as a scalar and the use of absolute value.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the cross product in the context of 2D vectors and its extension to complex numbers. There is an exploration of expressing the cross product in terms of the imaginary part of the product of complex conjugates. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the result and the appropriate use of absolute value in calculating area.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical relationships involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the connection between the cross product and the area calculation, but there is still uncertainty about the terminology and the final interpretation of the area as a non-negative real number.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of complex numbers and their geometric interpretations, while also addressing potential ambiguities in terminology such as "magnitude" and "absolute value." The original poster's question reflects a common confusion in applying vector operations to complex numbers.

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Hello, just a quick question.

I have two complex numbers (say z and z'), and I want to find the area of the parallelogram that is generated by the two complex numbers (written as vectors, ie, if z = x + iy is a complex number, then the vector is (x,y)).

Now the area of the parallelogram generated by z and z' is |z x z'|

However, when I compute z x z' I get what I would consider a "scalar" and then I am asked to take the "magnitude" (or is it "absolute value") of this "scalar." Do I just take the "absolute value"?

For example.

say z = 1 + i, and z' = 1 + 2i
then z x z' = (1)(2) - (1)(1) = 2 - 1 = 1.
The area is |z x z'| = |1|. Is this the absolute value of 1 (which would equal 1) ?

Thanks.
 
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The cross product is really only defined in 3D. But you can apply it in 2D by just taking the third coordinate as 0. So (x,y,0) X (x',y',0) = (0,0,xy'-x'y). Now if z=x+iy and z'=x'+iy', can you think of a way of expressing xy'-x'y in terms of z and z'?
 
Yes, xy' - x'y = Im(~zz') [That is the Imaginary part of (conjugate of z times z')]. (I am not sure how to put a bar over z) However, I must be missing how this is connected to whether or not I am supposed to just take the "absolute value" of z x z' to get the area of the parallelogram spanned by z and z'. Could you elaborate? Thanks.

edit... hmmm... Maybe you are getting at that our new vector is (0, xy' -x'y) since z x z' = Im(~zz'), then we can take the "magnitude" (the modulus) which would be just the absolute value as I suspected.

Sorry about loosely using the terms magnitude, and absolute value.
 
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"Area" is, by definition, a non-negative real number. Taking the cross product as you are, with the z-component of each vector 0, gives a vector with both x- and y-components 0. The area is the length of that vector, the absolute value of the z-component.
 

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