Complex Numbers and Constants of Integration

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of solutions to a second order, linear, homogeneous differential equation with complex roots. Participants are examining the equivalence of two forms of the general solution involving complex exponentials and trigonometric functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the constants of integration in the two forms of the solution. There is a focus on whether the imaginary unit can be incorporated into the constant of integration.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the legality of combining the imaginary unit with the constants of integration, suggesting that it is permissible. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of this operation on the constants involved.

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Participants are considering the definitions and roles of the constants of integration in the context of deriving a textbook definition, with attention to the potential differences between constants in the two forms of the solution.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that the characteristic equation to a second order, linear, homogeneous differential equation with constant coefficients yielded two complex roots:
\begin{array}{l}<br /> {\lambda _1} = a + bi\\<br /> {\lambda _2} = a - bi<br /> \end{array}
This would yield a general solution of:
y = {C_1}{e^{(a + bi)x}} + {C_2}{e^{(a - bi)x}}

I would like to prove that this is equal to the expression:
y = {C_1}{e^{ax}}\sin (bx) + {C_2}{e^{ax}}\cos (bx)

Homework Equations



Euler's identity:
{e^{ix}} = \cos (x) + i\sin (x)

The Attempt at a Solution



At the end of the proof, I am left with the expression:
y = i{C_1}{e^{ax}}\sin (bx) + {C_2}{e^{ax}}\cos (bx)

Can ##i## be "rolled up" into the constant of integration ##C_1## and the whole thing just defined as a single, undetermined constant?
 
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squelch said:

Homework Statement



Suppose that the characteristic equation to a second order, linear, homogeneous differential equation with constant coefficients yielded two complex roots:
\begin{array}{l}<br /> {\lambda _1} = a + bi\\<br /> {\lambda _2} = a - bi<br /> \end{array}
This would yield a general solution of:
y = {C_1}{e^{(a + bi)x}} + {C_2}{e^{(a - bi)x}}

I would like to prove that this is equal to the expression:
y = {C_1}{e^{ax}}\sin (bx) + {C_2}{e^{ax}}\cos (bx)

Homework Equations



Euler's identity:
{e^{ix}} = \cos (x) + i\sin (x)

The Attempt at a Solution



At the end of the proof, I am left with the expression:
y = i{C_1}{e^{ax}}\sin (bx) + {C_2}{e^{ax}}\cos (bx)
If ##C_1## and ##C_2## are the same constants as in ##y = {C_1}{e^{(a + bi)x}} + {C_2}{e^{(a - bi)x}}##, I don't think this is correct...
squelch said:
Can ##i## be "rolled up" into the constant of integration ##C_1## and the whole thing just defined as a single, undetermined constant?
... and if they are differrent constants, why not "roll up" the ##i## into ##C_1##?
 
Samy_A said:
If ##C_1## and ##C_2## are the same constants as in ##y = {C_1}{e^{(a + bi)x}} + {C_2}{e^{(a - bi)x}}##, I don't think this is correct...
I'm just trying to derive a textbook definition, in case the derivation is required on an exam.
At a point in the derivation, coming from the original equation, ##{e^{ax}}\cos (bx)[{C_1} + {C_2}] + i{e^{ax}}\sin (bx)[{C_1} - {C_2}]##.
I combined the constants into a new ##C_1## and ##C_2##, mostly to match the textbook equation. I suppose it'd be more clear (and proper) to call them ##C_1 '## and ##C_2 '##
... and if they are differrent constants, why not "roll up" the ##i## into ##C_1##?
I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be able to, but if it's a legal operation or not is my question. Call it a sanity check.
 
squelch said:
I'm just trying to derive a textbook definition, in case the derivation is required on an exam.
At a point in the derivation, coming from the original equation, ##{e^{ax}}\cos (bx)[{C_1} + {C_2}] + i{e^{ax}}\sin (bx)[{C_1} - {C_2}]##.
I combined the constants into a new ##C_1## and ##C_2##, mostly to match the textbook equation. I suppose it'd be more clear (and proper) to call them ##C_1 '## and ##C_2 '##

I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be able to, but if it's a legal operation or not is my question. Call it a sanity check.
Yes, you can do that. As the ##C##'s and ##C'##'s are arbitrary complex numbers anyway, there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't do it.
 
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