Complex Numbers: Understanding Multiplication, Angles, and Length

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The discussion revolves around complex numbers, specifically focusing on multiplication, angles, and length. Participants explore various questions related to the properties of complex numbers, including the implications of Euler's formula and the geometric interpretation of complex division.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to understand the value of \(i^i\) and its implications, with some exploring Euler's identity. Others discuss the angle of the quotient of two complex numbers and how it relates to the angles of the individual numbers. There is also a focus on the length of vectors when multiplied by \(e^{ix}\), with some questioning the assumptions behind the calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an active exchange of ideas, with some participants providing guidance on using polar forms and Euler's formula. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored, particularly regarding the properties of complex multiplication and the implications for vector length.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the questions, particularly regarding the requirements for proving certain properties. There are indications of differing levels of familiarity with complex number concepts among participants.

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1) A mathemetician is willing to sell you something valued at $i^i. Would you pay him 20 cents for it?

2) Let z=(z1/z2) where z1 = a+ib and z2 = c+id. Show the angle of z is the difference between angle z1 and z2.

3) Show that multiplying any vector by e^ix doesn't alter its length.


My attempts:

1) Tried using cosx + isinx to no avail. Honestly have no idea where to begin.
2) First I found the z by multiplying it out. let x be the angle. so i did tanx = bc-ad/ac+bd. Individually, you get tanx1 = b/a and tanx2=d/c which is not the same.
3) in the length formula i end up with cos^2-sin^2 which does alter length.

ruined my thanks giving, so i give up onthese.
 
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Howers said:
1) Tried using cosx + isinx to no avail. Honestly have no idea where to begin.
You're more or less on the right track...use Euler's formula/identity.

2) First I found the z by multiplying it out. let x be the angle. so i did tanx = bc-ad/ac+bd. Individually, you get tanx1 = b/a and tanx2=d/c which is not the same.
Again, this is correct. You just need to show that difference of the angles is equal to arctan((bc-ad)/(ac+bd)). Look up trig. identites.

3) in the length formula i end up with cos^2-sin^2 which does alter length..

I don't quite understand what question 3 asks for. Sorry.
 
Euler's Identity

1)
So you're solving for i^i. The Euler's Identity states that e^{\pi i}+1=0. Using just this identity, many other quantities can be derived, including our i^i.

Start by subtracting 1 from both sides, then getting the square root of both sides:
e^{\frac{1}{2}\pi i}=(-1)^{\frac{1}{2}}

(-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} obviously can be written as \sqrt{-1}, which simplifies to i:
e^{\frac{1}{2}\pi i}=i

Now raise both sides to the power of \frac{1}{i}:
e^{\frac{1}{2}\pi i\frac{1}{i}}=i^{\frac{1}{i}}
e^{\frac{1}{2}\pi}=i^{\frac{1}{i}}

Since \frac{1}{i} equals i^{-1}, substitute:
e^{\frac{1}{2}\pi}=i^{i^{-i}}

Now simply raise both sides to the power of -1:
e^{-\frac{1}{2}\pi}=i^{i}

And voila: i^{i} = e^{-\frac{1}{2}\pi} = 0.207879576 ...

Now you be the economist and tell me whether you will accept the offer or not.
 
Howers said:
3) in the length formula i end up with cos^2-sin^2 which does alter length.

Close. We want to have the magnitude (absolute value) of e^ix = 1. So we write e^ix in the form of cos(x)+isin(x). Finding the magnitude of this is done by finding the square root of the sum of the squares so sqrt(cos(x)^2 + sin(x)^2). You'll notice that the i dropped out. This is because the definition of the magnitude of a set of terms is simply sqrt(t1^2+t2^2+...tn^2). We don't care that i^2 is -1, we still sum the term.

I think you'll agree that cos(x)^2+sin(x)^2 is 1 and that sqrt(1) is 1.

To the mods, the only reason I gave the full answer was that the OP was basically there, s/he just needed to see why it was positive sin(x)^2.
 
For 3, the simplest way to do it is to write the general complex number in polar form:

z= r e^{i\theta}.

Which quantity gives the length? Does multiplying by e^{ix} affect this quantity?
 
for second question a quicker way is to convert to the polar form and then u can see the angle of z1/z2

for first question i=e^i*pi/2 (since sine(pi/2)=1) raise this to "i" power u immediately get e^-pi/2.
 
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real10 said:
for first question i=e^j*pi/2 (since sine(pi/2)=1) raise this to "i" power u immediately get e^-pi/2.

Good work, but try to stick to one notation for the imaginary unit at a time. Are you a physics or engineering student?
 
Gib Z said:
Good work, but try to stick to one notation for the imaginary unit at a time. Are you a physics or engineering student?

lol sorry EE undergraduate hehe

EDIT: everything changed to i now
 
Gib Z said:
For 3, the simplest way to do it is to write the general complex number in polar form:

z= r e^{i\theta}.

Which quantity gives the length? Does multiplying by e^{ix} affect this quantity?

That's not really a proof. That's saying that e^xi doesn't affect the length because... well it doesn't affect the length.
 
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I disagree. You can always calculate the norm of the vector before and after, and show that it is the same.
 

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